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1 hour ago, Lawman said:

Brigade Commanders grew up in the era of TOC Porn, unending lines of support, bus schedule designed mobility, and conops instead of 5 para orders.

That sounds remarkably like his “way forward.”

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That sounds remarkably like his “way forward.”


It was outstanding being in Iraq when we stood back up with all the “that’s not how it used to be” issues we created ourselves.

Logistics... oh just put those parts on the rotator.... What do you mean there is no rotator?


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The Army is pushing the envelope. They want light fixed wing attack aircraft and they are TIRED of the USAF in not making up it's mind in providing that mission. Hell, they would also like the A-10s as well if the USAF doesn't want them. I forgot, the AF doesn't want the A-10s.

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The Army is pushing the envelope. They want light fixed wing attack aircraft and they are TIRED of the USAF in not making up it's mind in providing that mission. Hell, they would also like the A-10s as well if the USAF doesn't want them. I forgot, the AF doesn't want the A-10s.

They may want it but like the AF they want it only if getting it was in addition to having what they already have, same as the AF.
If Congress authorized X billions in addition to the total obligation for light attack planes, people and stuff this would have happened already, it’s just that’s not the case. They want the services to trade inside of their program to fund this.
I can only armchair General this from an AF perspective but divesting 5-10% of the oldest/brokest 4th gen fleet seems the only viable COA if the AF ever gets serious about acquisition.
Not sure what the Army would be willing to trade in capability to get this new capability.


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Big Blue - Yes; SOCOM - No
SOCOM wanting 75 aircraft for an Armed Overwatch mission. 

How’s SOCOM going to man this?
Split among the force providers or a joint unit?


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13 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:


How’s SOCOM going to man this?
Split among the force providers or a joint unit?


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Predominately AFSOC...

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I've never heard a great answer to this: who will man these theoretical 75 new AFSOC aircraft?

Last time I checked pilots are in relatively short supply Air Force-wide, and the CSO community is small enough that you can't just shit out like 200+ new CSOs/WSOs/whatever, especially if you want ones competent enough to fly a tactical, acrobatic, weapons-employing aircraft.

I always asked this question when the rumor mill suggested that Guard MQ-9 units would also see light attack at their bases. I mean...cool...but how the F do you man that when half your officer force is 18X and your sensor operators are 100% enlisted? It never added up.

No one is/was a bigger supporter of light attack than me; we should have done this 15 years ago and the second best time to do it is now. BUT, I'm not sure how it actually happens even if we wave a magic wand an 75 shiny new pieces of iron show up on the ramp at Hurby or Pope or wherever.

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2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I've never heard a great answer to this: who will man these theoretical 75 new AFSOC aircraft?

Last time I checked pilots are in relatively short supply Air Force-wide, and the CSO community is small enough that you can't just shit out like 200+ new CSOs/WSOs/whatever, especially if you want ones competent enough to fly a tactical, acrobatic, weapons-employing aircraft.

I always asked this question when the rumor mill suggested that Guard MQ-9 units would also see light attack at their bases. I mean...cool...but how the F do you man that when half your officer force is 18X and your sensor operators are 100% enlisted? It never added up.

No one is/was a bigger supporter of light attack than me; we should have done this 15 years ago and the second best time to do it is now. BUT, I'm not sure how it actually happens even if we wave a magic wand an 75 shiny new pieces of iron show up on the ramp at Hurby or Pope or wherever.

Bro you act like these things are actually going to show up at Hurby or Pope. Did the C-27 teach you anything? Even after it's bought big blue can still shut this off before they have to own it! Those 75 LAFs are easily 1/10th of a shiny new B-21!!! 

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14 minutes ago, BadgerDave said:
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In a statement to Defense News, Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek confirmed that the service will not move forward with a program of record for light attack planes.

Instead, U.S. Special Operations Command has requested $106 million in the fiscal 2021 defense budget for its armed overwatch requirement

 

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5 hours ago, FLEA said:

Bro you act like these things are actually going to show up at Hurby or Pope. Did the C-27 teach you anything? Even after it's bought big blue can still shut this off before they have to own it! Those 75 LAFs are easily 1/10th of a shiny new B-21!!! 

True, but this is a SOCOM request and people tend to do what SOCOM wants...

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There is a plan to man 75 armed overwatch aircraft by divesting some current platforms.  It will be an AFSOC program partially funded by SOCOM, a similar construct to an existing program.
 

 

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17 minutes ago, gear3green said:

Does anyone think these can go to an older guard fighter unit who has Mq9s? 

No...

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5 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Is SOCOM only considering the turbos evaluated under LAE or are they considering Scorpion also?

Armed overwatch can be done with existing aircraft recapitalized or reconfigured.  SOCOM is considering a host of options, and I personally don’t think the A29 or AT6 are viable candidates. 

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Armed overwatch can be done with existing aircraft recapitalized or reconfigured.  SOCOM is considering a host of options, and I personally don’t think the A29 or AT6 are viable candidates. 

Which platforms recap’d or modified?


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6 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Armed overwatch can be done with existing aircraft recapitalized or reconfigured.  SOCOM is considering a host of options, and I personally don’t think the A29 or AT6 are viable candidates. 

Not USAF... But you get the idea.

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5 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:


Which platforms recap’d or modified?


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I’m not in the know but I would guess the light fixed wing ISR fleet, King Air/PC-12s 

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I’m not in the know but I would guess the light fixed wing ISR fleet, King Air/PC-12s 

Yeah, if they’re not going to buy new iron


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