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This may help: https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/preview/321142

You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons!

Wonder who he works for now. Drones, they got some pretty high speed ones nowadays.

Fair enough, allow me to amend my statement: Clearly he's not an airlift pilot. I know many tanker pilot that I like. I also know for a fact that airlift and tanker mentalities are distinctly different. They both go push hard to hack missions, but they hack very different missions with very different users. Airlift pilots (my perspective being as a 20 year C-130 guy) interface daily with all ages, all ranks, and most services. We get to taste the how and why of pretty much every corner of the military with few exceptions. That allows the opportunity to gain a broad perspective. Granted not all of us take that opportunity, but it's there nonetheless. From an airlifter's perspective, our community was screwed over by more than one tanker pilot commander trying to run airlift units like tanker units...(which incidentally was the only time I ever experienced an open ranks inspection after basic, thanks two tanker O-6's who's names I shall not repeat, but I digress)...which has left a long-standing scar tissue in the memory of many a herk driver. In the end I said what I said. Ratner sounds like he thinks his perspective as a pilot is one we all share, when in fact it is not. It's been a trend these past few days over several threads: The air India crash was caused by a bad FO, then pilots should shut down motors in response to events they can't even physically see, now pilots need to understand the importance of discipline because we live in a bubble and don't understand the rest of the military. Wrong on all fronts. Three times is a trend.

Definitely Little Rock area. ASP and Arkansas LE in general has some real gems and have for many years. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjEhKTnlMCOAxX04ckDHboYPR4QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kark.com%2Fnews%2Fworking4you%2Farkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WALwAbj99a9jKiqfbIYE4&opi=89978449 Arkansas trooper retires after PIT maneuver on wrong car | thv11.com Most agencies don't want to fund air units because of the cost but if you ask me to avoid one multi-million-dollar lawsuit its paid for itself. Not to mention realizing you're never going to outrun an aircraft you have a substantial deterrent effect.

Graphic said 2x 22 and 2x 35 but I only saw 3. Solid 10 seconds post anthem. okay. 10 percent rule.

He was 100% a mobility pilot. We were stationed together on KC-135s.

Where? What kind of aircraft? How late?

Terrible TOT for All Star game flyover

This might be the first time I've agreed with @disgruntledemployee, but I've seen a 10 knot wind make the engine windmill enough during the walk-around that looked to me like it could cut off an arm. Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP. Your eyes are 95% inside on the ground if you're not moving. Absolutely 0% chance that I'd notice someone running towards the engines and think "I bet they're going to commit suicide, I'd better shut the engines down just in case."

Or a super drink off, bunch of amateurs around here! (Spoiler, the first round will be too close to call)

No me gusta. This also sucks: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/post/worker-dies-getting-trapped-machine-tinas-burritos-factory-vernon/17114124/

Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here. Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed. Only way this is getting solved.

Obviously you're not a mobility pilot. You sound more like an eagle driver who's only interaction with E's was when you yelled at your crew chief. Another swing and a miss. Many AF pilots are intimately familiar with actively leading 18 year-old aircrew, maintainers, and support troops. Talk to any AC who's taking crewed aircraft on a 3 week trip or any major who's been a detco for weeks on end. Your experience is not everyone else's. Maybe come out of your echo chamber. I've worked indepth with many marines. They agree: Open ranks inspections are worthless outside of boot camp. They pursue discipline in far more functional and useful ways.

Over the last 25 years I've been on this forum, I thought I'd already read the most inane and pointless chaff possible. (checks Baseops and reads this thread) Ope, I guess not. This is the low-water mark. Carry on.

No, it's like saying engines keep spinning around and a round. It's not a Vitamix. They don't immediately stop when the gas is shut off. Even a stiff breeze can get the fan spinning quite fast, maybe enough to cause deadly injuries. Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. Bud, the forum has spoken. No need to go full tard on this. Brakes? Really?

Question for any 11F who flew the AT-6B, did it have enough power with the new engine and prop combo to sustain energy to be useful for some lead-in fighter training?

For pilots. We forget that the rest of the military isn't officer heavy with the ability to filter for only the highest performing enlisted troops. Talk to a marine recon officer about the type of shit they deal with, and the discipline side of the military starts to make a lot more sense. Saw a lot of it in Moron, and it was eye opening. Trying to control and motivate an 18-year-old who got his brand new girlfriend pregnant because he heard you make a little more money is an all together foreign experience for most Air Force pilots. I sure as hell didn't have to deal with it. That's not to say I would have been on board with the changes, I'm a contrarian by nature, but the aviation wing of the military has always been the exception, not the rule.

...or just continue being a spaz...your call

I'm rooting for all the soccer moms who drive that highway daily. The fact that dude said he was brand new on that bike makes him all the more idiotic.

Are we playing the you're probably not even a real pilot game? I'm the only non-anonymous pilot on this forum, you can do a search 😂🤣 Inferences? A quick review: Now, point to the part where I said this was the fault of the pilots in the video? It's nowhere. The follow-up: Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. Another inference: Aside from being incorrect (it was 15 seconds into the video when he jumped in. That's a loooooonnnggg time for engines to spool down), its irrelevant. Is it better to keep them running, or is it better to shut them down? It's not always a lunatic with a death wish. Sometimes it's a ramper holding a couple chocks, or an over eager bag-thrower who didn't realize the engines are still running because the cooldown hasn't elapsed. You gunna wait to see if he keeps walking towards the engine because "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown?" Again, please point to the part where I blamed (or made any reference at all to) the pilots in the video? Perfect hypothetical pilot reaction? If "turn the engines off if someone is approaching them" is perfect in your book, then I guess I must be Chuck Yeager. Look at that, you agree with me. So what is with all the commentary? I never made a promise that shutting down the engines will guarantee survival. I did however point out that you are an idiot if you think it matters. If anyone here can spell out a scenario where it's safer to leave the engines running "if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be," I'm all ears. Or is this just because I said mean things to disgruntled? He's a big boy, he can take it.

That vid has been around for awhile. If you're rooting for the biker, he should have taken the Maumelle exit at around 5:00 into the vid. If you're rooting for the trooper, the force to the grass actually worked. I'd have to see a few more tries to make a judgement call on that technique. As for after the stop, well....

I think you're the one fixated on being "technically right" brainstorming a perfect hypothetical pilot reaction in a scenario that lasted a grand total of 26 seconds. I don't know how you do ground ops but I don't spend the entire time craning my neck to check my 5 and 7 o'clock on the off chance a suicidal spanish drug addict decides today is the day he's going to swan dive into one of my engines. Yes, if you see a crazy spanish man running towards one of your engines, probably shut it down. Would it have made a difference in 26 seconds? Absolutely not. The main fan would have still been spinning plenty fast to kill him and the cowling only sits 22 inches off the ground - plenty low enough to jump into without aided engine suction.

Back at cha. Biff says adios and you get in my grill over this? Dude dove in. He was a gonner regardless of crew actions, including trying the shut the engines down if they saw him. Sorry Biff, but dude got triggered by me for some reason and not anyone else, so calling it out.