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Got the call today - no go as a X APZ bubba.  Not shocked (last year also not picked up even with clean record and a 2-Star DP...!).  I was never shown this year's PRF - honestly didn't care at the time because it's not like there'd be a chance in hell after the non-select with that DP.  BUT.... just looked at it off PRDA and guess what....ANOTHER DP from a CCMD J3.  W.  T.  F.  is  going on here

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20 minutes ago, VariEze said:

Got the call today - no go as a X IPZ bubba.  Not shocked (last year also not picked up even with clean record and a 2-Star DP...!).  I was never shown this year's PRF - honestly didn't care at the time because it's not like there'd be a chance in hell after the non-select with that DP.  BUT.... just looked at it off PRDA and guess what....ANOTHER DP from a CCMD J3.  W.  T.  F.  is  going on here

Sorry man, that’s rough. Gotta ask, any trouble in your past? DUI, etc? 

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Sorry man, that’s rough. Gotta ask, any trouble in your past? DUI, etc? 

Nope. IDE complete, Masters done, interagency work, Jt assignments, strats. Problem is I’m a broke flyer not racking up the air medals and flt-related tick marks any more. I’ve never heard of TWO GO-lvl DPs with no pick-up for someone w/no checkered past. And I heard they had to do more of a non-select counseling or digging if the DP came from a General Officer and board didn’t heed his push. Is that true?


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Nope. IDE complete, Masters done, interagency work, Jt assignments, strats. Problem is I’m a broke flyer not racking up the air medals and flt-related tick marks any more. I’ve never heard of TWO GO-lvl DPs with no pick-up for someone w/no checkered past. And I heard they had to do more of a non-select counseling or digging if the DP came from a General Officer and board didn’t heed his push. Is that true?


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What category did you compete in? LAF-A was 100% for IPZ with a DP and IDE complete last year.


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Found out I was not selected.

DP from the MLR as a 4x APZ. Board went against a BG(s) recommendation. 
 

It is a relief to know that I only have 24 months left in service. I am looking forward to finding an employer that actually wants me as part of the team and putting all my Air Force stuff in a box and forgetting about it.

Best of luck to those still waiting to hear!

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2 minutes ago, 14N Guy said:

Found out I was not selected.

DP from the MLR as a 4x APZ. Board went against a BG(s) recommendation. 
 

It is a relief to know that I only have 24 months left in service. I am looking forward to finding an employer that actually wants me as part of the team and putting all my Air Force stuff in a box and forgetting about it.

Best of luck to those still waiting to hear!

Me as well.  WTF is the point of the board being directed, "You shall not consider # of APZ looks or Year Group....and here's a DP, Airman - congrats" then a big "GFY' from the board.  Seriously?!  Also looking fwd to forgetting about this downward spiral of a career choice.

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8 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:


What category did you compete in? LAF-A was 100% for IPZ with a DP and IDE complete last year.


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I mis-typed in my frustration - "IPZ" should read "APZ". 

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Just now, VariEze said:

Me as well.  WTF is the point of the board being directed, "You shall not consider # of APZ looks or Year Group....and here's a DP, Airman - congrats" then a big "GFY' from the board.  Seriously?!  Also looking fwd to forgetting about this downward spiral of a career choice.

I agree that it is head scratching to not get selected after an MLR has already boarded your records. Last year (at least for my board), every single DP was selected for promotion.

I do wish we would get a better explanation of the thought process behind scoring records than, “Well, sometimes it happens.”

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The answer ID 50695 (board results) appears to indicate they are still using twice passed over for continuation.  When do you get official word if it’s offered?  This is my first board, but comparison of the guys that were unfortunately not selected, I don’t stand a chance. 
 

TIA

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41 minutes ago, Nodeskjobs said:

The answer ID 50695 (board results) appears to indicate they are still using twice passed over for continuation.  When do you get official word if it’s offered?  This is my first board, but comparison of the guys that were unfortunately not selected, I don’t stand a chance. 
 

TIA

I wouldn’t use any of us (if that’s what you are doing) as an indicator of you getting selected/not selected.

 

I fully believe I didn’t get picked up for personal reasons, not professional reasons.

 

Edit- to answer your question, I received an email saying I was selected for continuation and to talk with my Group leadership about the next steps. I signed the paperwork in my Gp/CD’s office a few days later. 
 

You should get the option of continuing to 20 or 24 years, but it isn’t an ADSC, just an option. I chose the 24 years but I am getting out in 24 months.

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23 minutes ago, Nodeskjobs said:

The answer ID 50695 (board results) appears to indicate they are still using twice passed over for continuation.  When do you get official word if it’s offered?  This is my first board, but comparison of the guys that were unfortunately not selected, I don’t stand a chance. 
 

TIA

I'm up for my first non select this board too.

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4 minutes ago, 14N Guy said:

I wouldn’t use any of us (if that’s what you are doing) as an indicator of you getting selected/not selected.

 

I fully believe I didn’t get picked up for personal reasons, not professional reasons.

 

Edit- to answer your question, I received an email saying I was selected for continuation and to talk with my Group leadership about the next steps. I signed the paperwork in my Gp/CD’s office a few days later. 
 

You should get the option of continuing to 20 or 24 years, but it isn’t an ADSCRITO, just an option. I chose the 24 years but I am getting out in 24 months.

Thanks 14N. I’m prior-E and over 20 years. I never played the game and ready to accept my fate

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1 hour ago, 14N Guy said:

You should get the option of continuing to 20 or 24 years, but it isn’t an ADSC, just an option. I chose the 24 years but I am getting out in 24 months.

My good friend just retired as an O-4 and several non-selects. He was offered continuation up to 24 but could get out any time he wanted prior to. 
 

I only mention it because I was surprised, I didn’t realize it was basically up to the individual on when to get out if they accepted continuation. I thought it was agreeing to stay till 24. 
 

 

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7 minutes ago, Bigred said:

My good friend just retired as an O-4 and several non-selects. He was offered continuation up to 24 but could get out any time he wanted prior to. 
 

I only mention it because I was surprised, I didn’t realize it was basically up to the individual on when to get out if they accepted continuation. I thought it was agreeing to stay till 24. 
 

 

Wait one minute. That’s only if you don’t have any existing ADSCs correct. I have a bonus ADSC that takes me to 2023. 

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25 minutes ago, Nodeskjobs said:

Wait one minute. That’s only if you don’t have any existing ADSCs correct. I have a bonus ADSC that takes me to 2023. 

If you reject continuation your existing ADSCs don't matter anymore though there may be consequences for GI bill transfer and others potentially. If you accept continuation then you are still on the hook for any ADSCs up to the expiration of your continuation. Once you run out of ADSCs then continuation doesn't force you to stay in

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16 minutes ago, KWings06j said:

If you reject continuation your existing ADSCs don't matter anymore though there may be consequences for GI bill transfer and others potentially. If you accept continuation then you are still on the hook for any ADSCs up to the expiration of your continuation. Once you run out of ADSCs then continuation doesn't force you to stay in

That’s how he explained it to me. He didn’t want to get stuck with a PCS ADSC.

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8 minutes ago, Bigred said:

That’s how he explained it to me. He didn’t want to get stuck with a PCS ADSC.

Good deal. I believe I have a good understanding. My only ADSCs are PCS (Jul 2022), and Bonus (Apr 2023). Assuming it was this board, If I declined continuation, I would have to retire NLT 1 Jan 2022.

If I accepted continuation to say 24 years (May 2024), then the 2 ADSCs would remain?

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5 hours ago, KWings06j said:

Do they typically notify non selects first or is it just random?

Typically non-selects, it would suck to hear about not being promoted after your peers who do find out, or to find out when the list comes out.  Sometimes the Air Force has a heart..

Sorry to those of you who didn’t make it.  You just never know what the current crop of 0-6/0-7s grading your record care about nor what the board as a whole is asked to place emphasis in.  It’s the largest smoke and mirrors game.  A mentor told me that a few years ago, they valued combat time above all else, then a couple years later they valued special programs/exec work above all else. 
 

I know it stings, but your rank doesn’t define you.  Your lack of promotion was not a reflection of you, but how a handful of 0-6/0-7s perceived your records.  The dudes I respected the most as an LT were often passed over majors.  They didn’t have to play the game, they just excelled at their primary duty and spent their time at work smiling and happy, instead of playing the game.  

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Does anybody know how much weight a DP actually gives your record to the board? Everything I’ve ever heard/been told is that a DP is a golden Beebee in all but the most extreme cases of adverse records.

Does a DP add X points to your total board score? I guess what I don’t understand is how there is any justification for promoting any record with a P over a record with a DP (again, excluding records with negative indicators…but again, somebody gave them a DP so…)?

I will be very interested in seeing the RAW data for this promotion because I know they always promote at least one APZ record with a P. So how would the board justify promoting a P APZ record and not a DP APZ record (not that any board will ever be held accountable for any decision they make)?

Any insight is welcome because I don’t think I have ever received a clear explanation on what a DP really does for your board score.

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