Kenny Powers Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Same. I figure I'll forget about it (already had until reading this again) and then someday, poof, they figure it out and I get a bunch of back pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Saw my modest bump first paycheck. ANG dude. I have to admit, with all the (non) support agencies we rightfully bitch about, our finance shop isn’t one of them. They’ve generally been spot-on and I’ve heard very few peeps have pay issues. Now if only some of them would cross-train to Comm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotARobot Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Month and a half after implementation and still getting the old rate at my Guard base. Anyone else’s finance still unable to un this situation? And they wonder why no one wants to stick around. No flight pay bump yet at my Reserve base. Finance told another pilot in my unit “It could take up to a year...the pay tables from AFRC aren’t correct”Not really sure why I expect anything other than gross incompetence from support agencies.Imagine if I flew an ILS (a routine task) like a finance guy files a voucher. Sorry, the system is down. Sorry, we went to lunch. Sorry, we’re closed for training. Sorry, you didn’t sign this on the correct date. Sorry, we lost the voucher. Sorry, you need to show me in the AFI where it says I have to do my job. More time is expended creating any/every excuse NOT to do a primary job than actually performing the smallest task.It’s OK though. Because they can never be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 16 hours ago, ViperStud said: Saw my modest bump first paycheck. ANG dude. I have to admit, with all the (non) support agencies we rightfully bitch about, our finance shop isn’t one of them. They’ve generally been spot-on and I’ve heard very few peeps have pay issues. Now if only some of them would cross-train to Comm... Still no pay bump for this ANG guy. That's great, a good finance is worth their weight in gold! I wish I could say the same about our finance. I just wish I could go back to the days of paper vouchers, paper 105s, etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONE WSO Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) No pay bump here either. My finance office (which is great) filed a ticket with DFAS which was in the system for about 3 weeks before DFAS closed the ticket and said "it is a known problem and we will fix the issue in one big batch." My finance office apparently does not have the authority to fix it. Unbelievable. Edited November 20, 2017 by BONE WSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 No pay bump here either. My finance office (which is great) filed a ticket with DFAS which was in the system for about 3 weeks before DFAS closed the ticket and said "it is a known problem and we will fix the issue in one big batch." My finance office apparently does not have the authority to fix it. Unbelievable.Pretty sure this is the extent of what our finance office said too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Good info. Thanks, dude. That’s more than I could get from the mouth-breathers who cut my paychecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookEmAll Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Our finance office said the raise was only for UAV pilots and ignored further requests to fix the issue. Good thing it’s out of their hands to solve it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just got a new LES to partially correct the discrepancy...I'll make sure not to spend that extra $8.69 all in one place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 19 hours ago, BONE WSO said: No pay bump here either. My finance office (which is great) filed a ticket with DFAS which was in the system for about 3 weeks before DFAS closed the ticket and said "it is a known problem and we will fix the issue in one big batch." My finance office apparently does not have the authority to fix it. Unbelievable. Why would anyone expect FINANCE to be able to fix a PAY issue...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I have an 8-0 undefeated record in the octagon of reg-fu, and 7 of those one round KO matches were with finance, yet they keep insisting on a rematch 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooter Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, sqwatch said: I have an 8-0 undefeated record in the octagon of reg-fu, and 7 of those one round KO matches were with finance, yet they keep insisting on a rematch I laughed wayyyy harder than I should have at this. Thank you for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Different bonus, but couldn't find a better place to put this. The AF released the details on the continuation pay portion of the BRS today. Hope you weren't expecting much - it's 2.5x a month's base pay in exchange for an additional 4 year ADSC. Somehow I doubt that's going to change the calculus for dudes at the 12 year point. http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1381062/air-force-announces-continuation-pay-rates/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) That's about $223k for a O-4. Everything I have found shows that it is subject to CZTE so if you could work a dip in the AOR the month following your 12 year point you could take the lump sum and it could be advantageous. Edit: Nevermind. It's 2.5 times a single months pay. Edited November 28, 2017 by Breckey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icohftb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I took that to read 2.5x 1 months pay to sign up for 4 more years... so more like 15-20k total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Since this payment is at the discretion of the secretary, you’d think they’d at least put some thought into it to target stressed career fields. Pilots, enlisted aviators, senior operators, RPA pilots, and maintainers should be at a much higher multiplier than SSgt Snuffy finance or services guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Since this payment is at the discretion of the secretary, you’d think they’d at least put some thought into it to target stressed career fields. Pilots, enlisted aviators, senior operators, RPA pilots, and maintainers should be at a much higher multiplier than SSgt Snuffy finance or services guy. You’d think that. But we already give our pilots a bonus that they should be happy with this is just an extra added bonus for you. At the current O-4 rate this gives you pre tax 18k. Hell for that amount your better off taking the pilot bonus where you’d make more anyway for the same time just about with all the same issues. But then again the new BRS is a joke anyway. Come on best case 5% marching for you? While it’s ok for the guys who are going to bail it’s a joke. Some of the biggest competitors for us offer 10-20% auto contribution for you into a 401k. Swing and a miss again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 While I’m sure this is giving leadership too much credit, one opinion I heard today was that the continuation pay multiplier was intentionally set low in order to dissuade senior Capts and Majs from opting into the BRS, thereby “encouraging” them to stay to 20 instead. But they’re probably just being cheap bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Keep in mind that most civilian employers don't offer a pension anymore either. So 10% auto-contribution takes place of that. So 5% plus some kind of pension isn't terrible compared to most retirement plans. No idea about the airlines though. They probably give you a billion dollars and a private island. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Looks like they went the absolute cheapest way possible with this. According to the law, the services could offer CP anytime between 8-12 YOS, and it would be 2.5-13x base pay. It also said the services could use it to incentivize certain stressed career fields. And of course our innovative leaders, in the midst of a rentention crisis, elected to offer the minimum 2.5x multiplier at the longest 12 YOS time, for every single career field in the AF. I get not offering it at 8 YOS for pilots, since it would run concurrently and add only a few months to your ADSC. However, $18k is not going to make a difference at all in a pilot’s decision making. It would have wise to offer pilots closer to 13x at the 12 YOS mark. Another swing and a miss from management. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, flyusaf83 said: Looks like they went the absolute cheapest way possible with this. According to the law, the services could offer CP anytime between 8-12 YOS, and it would be 2.5-13x base pay. It also said the services could use it to incentivize certain stressed career fields. And of course our innovative leaders, in the midst of a rentention crisis, elected to offer the minimum 2.5x multiplier at the longest 12 YOS time, for every single career field in the AF. I get not offering it at 8 YOS for pilots, since it would run concurrently and add only a few months to your ADSC. However, $18k is not going to make a difference at all in a pilot’s decision making. It would have wise to offer pilots closer to 13x at the 12 YOS mark. Another swing and a miss from management. But look who is managing this. The same person who as seen us through all the other debacles so it’s no surprise it’s so messed up. Edited November 28, 2017 by cragspider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I’m shocked they released any info about the retention payment prior to the opt in cutoff date. I figured they would just make career minded folks gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I’m shocked they released any info about the retention payment prior to the opt in cutoff date. I figured they would just make career minded folks gamble. I have no reason to be an optimist...but I’m guessing that is the “standard” rate and the AF messaging got screwed up yet again and they didn’t release targeted values yet.If they’re only going the 2.5x route they’re in for a world of hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJay Pilot Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 So, how long do you think it will be before some of the regionals are hurting so bad for talent that they offer "buy-out" options to bonus takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 So, how long do you think it will be before some of the regionals are hurting so bad for talent that they offer "buy-out" options to bonus takers?There’s an ADSC with the bonus. I don’t think a buy-out is an option unless they’re paying you to fail consecutive PT tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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