Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[brabus]

9 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Our local-level commanders are pissed and sympathetic,

So why don’t guys just not come to work for 2 weeks, no paperwork, nobody cares. Problem circumvented. 100% agree on your point though. 

[Guest nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

So why don’t guys just not come to work for 2 weeks, no paperwork, nobody cares. Problem circumvented. 100% agree on your point though. 

Well the earned amount of leave under the new policy is 12 weeks for dads (all numbers here are dad-centric, no offense to the moms out there).

I am sympathetic to commanders that say that is much harder to swallow than 10 days (my first baby) or 3 weeks (recent policy) that previous AFIs have directed, that’s valid.

BUT, the law says 12 weeks and active duty has done it fairly seamlessly from what I’ve heard so #NoExcuses.

We can’t just fail to follow the law because it’s inconvenient, and if the bean counters need to add slightly more days/dollars to the unit funding algorithm to account for this change in the law, so be it, make the change and move on. There’s already a buffer built in for illness/injury, bereavement leave, personal leave that accrues and is taken, and the old baby leave policy.

Edited January 12, 2023 by nsplayr

[brabus]

Wow, didn’t realize it was 12 weeks. Totally agree, but I still feel like a CC can do the same thing. It’s “hard,” but it’s also the right thing to do in light of the fucktards in MSG world constant failures. 

[Biff_T]

Do you have to be married to take the 12 weeks of baby leave?  If not, you could go to your favorite SE Asian country,  Eastern Europe, Colombia and etc..to raw dog some chicks a few times a year.  Have them popping out kids like a factory, getting a few extra months off a year.  Dudes like Nick Cannon, with 12 kids, would have a lot of time to relax on Uncle Sugar's dime.  The secret is not having the babies in the US.  That way you can avoid child support.    

You can use the bonus to help pay for all of the travel costs.  Lol

[Bigred]

48 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

If not, you could go to your favorite SE Asian country,  Eastern Europe, Colombia and etc..to raw dog some chicks a few times a year. 

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Bigred said:

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

To be honest, now that Biff_T mentions it, they may need to amend this policy to not apply to load masters. 

[mcbush]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

load masters

STS

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

To be honest, now that Biff_T mentions it, they may need to amend this policy to not apply to load masters. 

 

19 minutes ago, mcbush said:

STS

 

😆 🤣 😂 

[Biff_T]

4 hours ago, Bigred said:

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

Some people are into pain for pleasure.  

[BANDIT_K]

Anyone know if you can take the bonus (for your previous rated field) while in cross training into different rated field? I have heard mixed reviews and am curious if anyone has any wisdom on the matter. I've heard one argument is since your primary ADSC is still the former rating until you get new wings, you are eligible if your former career field has a bonus. On the flip side others have told me you have no shot if cross training. 

[Danger41]

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

[artvandelay43201]

Nothing like a prior nav copilot making 1.5x more than the AC

Edited January 13, 2023 by artvandelay43201

[Scooter14]

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

Speaking from experience, if I was your friend, I would be prepared to pay that money back at some point.


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[herkbum]

Speaking from experience, if I was your friend, I would be prepared to pay that money back at some point.


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They always catch ya in the end!


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[SocialD]

They always catch ya in the end!


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Just hope it happens on AD and they don't catch you until you're in the Guard... The story is too convoluted and hard to explain in full detail, but I'll do my best to paraphrase.

Bottom line, AD finance jacked up big time and paid taxes to DFAS when they shouldn't have (overseas pay from a tax free zone). By the time they figured it out their mistake, my squadron mate had transferred to the Guard. Apparently, the AD system can't talk to the Guard system, so they couldn't simply garnish his wages.

The AD finally reached him and tried to tell him he had to pay them 10k and that he'd get it back in his taxes. He told the AD to pound sand and fix their own up. They threatened him more and he told them to pound more sand. Somewhere in there, he got his State Senator father involved. He won!

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[NUKE]

On 1/13/2023 at 1:05 AM, Danger41 said:

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

I’ve seen this 2-3 times in the Strike Eagle world. 

[di1630]

3rd year Delta (expect other majors to bump shortly) first officer pay will be ~$210,000 per year plus profit sharing + 401k.

I’d say the USAF has some problems coming up.




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[brabus]

It’s financially non-sensical by a long shot to stay in and bypass years of seniority. You have to value certain intrinsic/non-monetary things far more. Nothing wrong with that, just stay in with eyes wide open and understand the long lasting ramifications of your decision as a young O-4. 
 

Spoiler: You can hit all those things in the guard, so really there actually is only one logical choice! I kid…sort of.

Edited January 17, 2023 by brabus

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

It’s financially non-sensical by a long shot to stay in and bypass years of seniority. You have to value certain intrinsic/non-monetary things far more.

Totally agree.  When I was a captain the idea of flying airlines for $$ while my bros remained in the fight was unpalatable. Getting out in 2012 was the logical financial choice, but was not what I valued.  So I stayed, got to overload on war stuff, etc.  Right call for me.

Now war’s over and there’s not a single O6 job remotely appealing, but I’m very excited about the airline world!  It’s been eye-opening to see all the other aviation paths out there as I meet folks with radically different backgrounds.  It has validated my decision to stay AF when I did: I’d have been miserable watching the team collect scalps while I fretted about 401k options.  But now door A is closed so I’m moving on.

All that to say: military pilots are a special breed and I salute each of you.  Do AGR if that works (wouldn’t have for my niche world) or get out at initial ADSC if that’s your jam, or stay if you still love it despite the warts.  Regardless of the path you choose, I recommend enough self-reflection to have no regrets.  My only regret is taking the bonus.  The money seems appealing but it’s insignificant in the grand scheme of life; when you are ready to go you want the ability to go immediately.  

[Magnum]

On 1/17/2023 at 12:48 PM, di1630 said:

3rd year Delta (expect other majors to bump shortly) first officer pay will be ~$210,000 per year plus profit sharing + 401k.

I’d say the USAF has some problems coming up.




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Tech pay for a Viper IP in Tucson that sits alert starts at ~$205,000 + TSP match up to 5% + profit sharing at 69%. $4k/ year pay raises each year for the first 4 years then potential for annual bonuses after that. 

Never having to say "light chop, ladies and gentlemen, ahhhhhhh..." or tell a traveler where the nearest bathroom is in an airport you've never been to...priceless.

[HossHarris]

Pffft. We’ve been to all the airports. We know where the shitters are ….

Edited January 20, 2023 by HossHarris

[SocialD]

7 hours ago, Magnum said:

Tech pay for a Viper IP in Tucson that sits alert starts at ~$205,000 + TSP match up to 5% + profit sharing at 69%. $4k/ year pay raises each year for the first 4 years then potential for annual bonuses after that. 

Never having to say "light chop, ladies and gentlemen, ahhhhhhh..." or tell a traveler where the nearest bathroom is in an airport you've never been to...priceless.

 

 

You had me until you said "tech that sits alert."   Woof!

Edited January 20, 2023 by SocialD

[nunya]

On 1/20/2023 at 12:01 AM, Magnum said:

Tech pay for a Viper IP in Tucson that sits alert starts at ~$205,000 + TSP match up to 5% + profit sharing at 69%. $4k/ year pay raises each year for the first 4 years then potential for annual bonuses after that. 

Never having to say "light chop, ladies and gentlemen, ahhhhhhh..." or tell a traveler where the nearest bathroom is in an airport you've never been to...priceless.

I don’t disagree. Sounds like a great gig. Delta is hiring a couple hundred a month. AZANG? Lots of dudes will have to settle for Delta instead of GS-13.

[brabus]

55 minutes ago, nunya said:

Lots of dudes will have to settle for Delta instead of GS-13

Yes, “settle.” As a “169% sure I would never want to be a lame airline pilot” Capt, I’m here to say Capt me was horribly misinformed and misguided.

Based on my experience, lots of young Maj and earlier types think being a GS-13 flying fighters until 55 is the holy grail. Turns out only a few guys in the entire ARC think that way as they actually get older, and I’m glad to have the few that go that route and still contribute. Say all this to the younger guys - there’s about a 98% chance you will not feel that way after a year or two into the ARC, so plan accordingly for life after full time AF pilot. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by brabus

[di1630]

^^^ spot on. I did 21+ yrs AD and while I loved it, I now wish I had joined airlines sooner and done reserves.

I disregarded airline guys and now I’ve got a hint of jealousy for my old peers who played it smarter, still fly jets part time and earn $100k more per year working less.






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