Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[FLEA]

5 minutes ago, hockeydork said:

My understanding is we're calling and they aren't picking up the phone? Not sure how accurate that is. Unfortunately he doubled down, and this exactly what happens when you double down, you can double lose. 

I guess that ship sailed for me. He is going to be completely defeated at least in terms of what he actually wanted to achieve, he is going to be humiliated, he is going to be shamed and shunned, and he is likely to get offed by his own. Minus a couple people on here who think that the West should keep trading with Russia because "its in the economic interests of the US", the vast majority want nothing to do with Russia unless the government is changed. Trust = blown. It's done, no going back. 

I have accepted that we should be looking into mitigating the use tac nukes or chemical weapons via force we can transfer to the Ukrainian's, and be prepared for their employment. If he is considering using them, nothing is going to change that now. Let's hope that units says "no thanks" when the order is given. 

Good for them. That's what happens when you send young Russian kids to die for nothing. The Ukrainian's have Mel on their side, the Russians, do not. 

He's not going anywhere man. Putin is going to be in power until he dies of natural causes. But he needs to show some sort of victory to his people or he is going to struggle on the home front. So he will continue to twist the narrative, lock the country down and accelerate aggression until he has "something". 

Regarding mutiny and the use of nukes, unknown. But I presume people with access to nuclear material in Russia go through a significant loyalty test akin to PRP and most of them are trustworthy by Putin at the controls. It also appears that Putin has begun purging his nuclear C2 forces. So take that for what it's worth. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by FLEA

[hockeydork]

13 minutes ago, FLEA said:

He's not going anywhere man. Putin is going to be in power until he dies of natural causes. But he needs to show some sort of victory to his people or he is going to struggle on the home front. So he will continue to twist the narrative, lock the country down and accelerate aggression until he has "something". 

 

That could happen too. And I'm fine with it. If he wants to lockdown in fortress Russia and tank the Russian economy, and the Russians around him are dumb enough to let him ruin their country, so be it. We don't need them, we don't need their fossil fuels, we are rich in our own resources (fossil, wind solar) and we are innovators. Strategically we will leave them in the dust.  

[GrndPndr]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

He needs an off ramp,<snip>  True

I want the Ukrainians to win, but I fear if this starts to go way south for Russia he will escalate to a tactical nuke or chemical weapons because he has no other choice to avoid complete defeat.

And, I wonder how bad everyone's feelings would be hurt by the Russkies producing a yield (nuke detonation) at say FL300.  No real damage, but a nuke is still a nuke, eh?  Is this the most innocuous use of nuclear weapons?

[fire4effect]

7 minutes ago, GrndPndr said:

And, I wonder how bad everyone's feelings would be hurt by the Russkies producing a yield (nuke detonation) at say FL300.  No real damage, but a nuke is still a nuke, eh?  Is this the most innocuous use of nuclear weapons?

Well I doubt most civil aircraft are nuclear hardened. Or many other critical systems. So I'd say hardly innocuous

[Lawman]

And, I wonder how bad everyone's feelings would be hurt by the Russkies producing a yield (nuke detonation) at say FL300.  No real damage, but a nuke is still a nuke, eh?  Is this the most innocuous use of nuclear weapons?

Considering EMP range is increased with altitude to a relative blast yield…

Yeah people would probably not be ok with the resultant crash of every airborne commercial aircraft within hundreds of miles, not to mention the mass attack to infrastructure of countries not directly involved in hostilities.

Setting off a nuke in the modern age whether in or outside the atmosphere is the unacceptable escalation to any conflict. That should be pretty clear at this point to anybody sane.


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[GrndPndr]

My scenario was intended to be geared more for a strategic level, including ground level effects and worry and whining by the politicos.  Lastly, what kind of reactions does it trigger with NATO and other non-Russo aligned folks.

[McJay Pilot]

6 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

Well, that's two big expensive pieces of hardware now sitting in the bottom of the black sea, for Putin's little 72 hour field trip he had planned. When keepin' it real...goes wrong.

*Gleefully whistles Randy Dandy Oh! under breath* 😆

Slava Ukraini.

Billy Mays here, but WAIT, there’s MORE!

 

the “combat footage” sub Reddit is awesome.

[Lawman]

Billy Mays here, but WAIT, there’s MORE!

 
the “combat footage” sub Reddit is awesome.

*Laughs in German*

If they can’t get that thing out into open water and away from more drone strikes, it’s gonna get messed up.


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[Sua Sponte]

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008266864/russia-army-radio-makariv.html?smid=em-share&fbclid=IwAR3UA-nSWFuAx10KcGIA4sY_p5kny5mi6Lz-I1OVBOu1T3AworS1UpF1BoA

[BFM this]

16 hours ago, Lawman said:

Yeah people would probably not be ok with the resultant crash of every airborne commercial aircraft within hundreds of miles, not to mention the mass attack to infrastructure of countries not directly involved in hostilities.

You can still land a Boeing...

[fire4effect]

In a VERY different time and higher altitude but it gives an idea of what could happen. I can only imagine what the effect would be on our modern digital world versus 1962

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[HeloDude]

20 hours ago, hockeydork said:

Minus a couple people on here who think that the West should keep trading with Russia because "its in the economic interests of the US", the vast majority want nothing to do with Russia unless the government is changed. Trust = blown. It's done, no going back.

Just out of curiosity, do you support economic trade with China, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, and Turkey?  If so, does this mean that trading with them equates to supporting their actions that many in the US find appalling?  Also, are France and Hungary bad countries for not cutting economic ties with Russia?

[Prosuper]

6 hours ago, BFM this said:

You can still land a Boeing

Does that include the 787?

Edited March 25, 2022 by Prosuper

[BFM this]

1 hour ago, Prosuper said:

Does that include the 787?

lol, yeah, probably not.

[Prosuper]

On 3/24/2022 at 12:35 PM, ClearedHot said:

 While the loss of five Russian general officers is not profound there are other reports indicating high losses at the O-6 level.  In one notable case a Russian Colonel commanding an Armored brigade was knifed to death by his own troops after refusing to call off an attack.  His unit lost had already lost 30% of its force and the younger soldiers confronted and ultimately attacked him.

 

Hate to say it but mx troops had the same thought after endless 12 hours shifts no weekends off just so a guy can go from O-6 to O-7.

[ClearedHot]

14 hours ago, Prosuper said:

Hate to say it but mx troops had the same thought after endless 12 hours shifts no weekends off just so a guy can go from O-6 to O-7.

Thoughts and actions are two very different things.  I hope much of what I am hearing is true and the Russian army is a paper tiger that is is losing.  I just want them to lose in a way that they can go home without the world coming to an end.

[fire4effect]

18 hours ago, Prosuper said:

Hate to say it but mx troops had the same thought after endless 12 hours shifts no weekends off just so a guy can go from O-6 to O-7.

Still just as funny as the first time I saw it.

 

[ClearedHot]

[McJay Pilot]

Ho Lee Fuk would be proud!

[12xu2a3x3]

50 minutes ago, McJay Pilot said:

Ho Lee Fuk would be proud!

no Q-3, sheet metal on twelves, 👍

[Danger41]

Well…that’s interesting.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/biden-ending-europe-trip-unity-042348703.html

[uninformed]

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power," so is this how WWIII begins...crazy Joe going off script.  His handlers must have just crapped themselves when they heard that come out his mouth.  My guess is Joe will not be seen out in public much for a while.

[ViperMan]

50 minutes ago, uninformed said:

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power," so is this how WWIII begins...crazy Joe going off script.  His handlers must have just crapped themselves when they heard that come out his mouth.  My guess is Joe will not be seen out in public much for a while.

No fan of Joe, but what's the alternative? To legitimize Putin and his ilk by dealing with him and in doing so tacitly approve of his actions? That'll just engender even worse. It's clear to me that Putin does have to go. The "West" cannot afford to deal with him in really any capacity after this adventure. Not sure what that means, but there is plenty short of WWIII which that can mean. For starters, we really should offer to be Europe's energy guarantor and take real and visible steps towards that end. Putin thinks the current sanctions are biting? Wait until he (and his people) realizes he's getting cut off from his largest market.

[HeloDude]

37 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

For starters, we really should offer to be Europe's energy guarantor and take real and visible steps towards that end. Putin thinks the current sanctions are biting? Wait until he (and his people) realizes he's getting cut off from his largest market.

And make energy that much more expensive for American citizens?  Not to mention that progressives want less energy from nuclear and fossil fuels, so that will be interesting to see.

We need to focus on our problems at home before we start trying to be the salvation of Europe…who by the way is still happy to buy Russian energy.

Edited March 26, 2022 by HeloDude

[Sprkt69]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:To legitimize Putin and his ilk by dealing with him and in doing so tacitly approve of his actions? That'll just engender even worse. 

You mean like how everyone deals with China?