The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[lloyd christmas]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

states are responsible for voting. not a mass federal voting program.

 

This.  The federal government will not relinquish control over the entire election process once they have it.  Add it to the list of programs that the federal government mishandles on scales that are hard to measure.  Like the USPS...  

The Dems will get what they want on this one.  But, it is going to bite them.  It will be a complete clusterfuck just like Trump has said.  We will not know the results for months and the mistakes, miscounts, lost ballets, fraud and the rest will end up in the court system being litigated for years.  Trump will then be accused of not wanting to leave office.  

I can't wrap my mind around smart people here actually advocating for the federal government to take control over our voting rights.  IT IS THE PROCESS THAT PROTECTS US FROM THE GOVERNMENT.  How can anyone seriously think they can pull this off regardless of your political leanings?  There are endless threads on this very website detailing many of the things that the federal government mishandles.  They won't get this one right either.  It will be a disaster of epic proportions.  

[brickhistory]

9 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

 

@Sua Sponte this won’t happen in November... right?

That gutsy bastard is willing to take that risk for 'Merica.  In fact, the entire DNC is.

 

[Sua Sponte]

17 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html?fbclid=IwAR3BFBXBI38fk28bYNM69IXN7pHH0lXqgbbTn3r0RdBuhpHD8oFaHaQaCmo
 

“In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail. Community organizations, such as the city’s NAACP chapter, are calling for the entire election to be invalidated.”

“Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. “We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she said. ‘This is corruption. This is fraud.’”

@Sua Sponte this won’t happen in November... right?

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

So a city councilman and cronies got caught and charged in the first time New Jersey did mail-in voting? And? Is the KC-10 an unsafe jet cause one blew up Barksdale decades ago? Or is it a safe jet because the remaining 59, at the time, went on to have a great safety record compared to the KC-135?

Edited August 17, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

This.  The federal government will not relinquish control over the entire election process once they have it.  Add it to the list of programs that the federal government mishandles on scales that are hard to measure.  Like the USPS...  

The Dems will get what they want on this one.  But, it is going to bite them.  It will be a complete clusterfuck just like Trump has said.  We will not know the results for months and the mistakes, miscounts, lost ballets, fraud and the rest will end up in the court system being litigated for years.  Trump will then be accused of not wanting to leave office.  

I can't wrap my mind around smart people here actually advocating for the federal government to take control over our voting rights.  IT IS THE PROCESS THAT PROTECTS US FROM THE GOVERNMENT.  How can anyone seriously think they can pull this off regardless of your political leanings?  There are endless threads on this very website detailing many of the things that the federal government mishandles.  They won't get this one right either.  It will be a disaster of epic proportions.  

Wait, is someone saying you can’t vote if you’re legally entitled to vote?

[Sua Sponte]

1 minute ago, Kiloalpha said:

So let me get this straight. First it was “fraud doesn’t happen.” And now it’s “doesn’t matter if it does, we’ll catch it?”

Talk about goalpost moving...

Can you point out where I wrote that? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

What I actually said before you chimed in to the adult discussion.

No method is 100% for certain against fraud.

And I literally posted an article from MIT talking about a study that states voting fraud is “"Vote fraud in the United States is exceedingly rare, with mailed ballots and otherwise.”

 

[Homestar]

The Post Office is in a no-win situation:

1) Explicitly authorized by the Constitution

2) Forced by Congress to finance its own operations

3) Forced by Congress to pre-pay all its pension requirements decades in advance

4) Deliver mail services to every stretch of the county imaginable at rates that are affordable.

I think it's a good thing that Trump got the Post Office stuck in his craw.  It's forcing Congress to undo the very strings it has used to tie the hands of the Post Office.  The USPS could function with a budget of $15bn/year.  I see no reason why the USPS shouldn't operate as a government agency under Congressional appropriations.  

[BashiChuni]

24 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

No method is 100% for certain against fraud.

 

 

agreed. but you're asking for it with a mass voter mailing program. much harder to commit fraud when most americans go to the polling booth.

 

also, i haven't heard one compelling reason to change the voting process with two months to go since the election.

COVID is a known entity at this point and we know how to NOT catch it. Masks, distancing, open air spaces. easy.

Edited August 17, 2020 by BashiChuni

[Sim]

In other news. Orange man not only stealing mailboxes but cars and roads so people don't vote! 

 

 

[lloyd christmas]

57 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Wait, is someone saying you can’t vote if you’re legally entitled to vote?

What is your definition of "legally entitled" to vote?  

 

[Guest nsplayr]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

agreed. but you're asking for it with a mass voter mailing program. much harder to commit fraud when most americans go to the polling booth.

 

also, i haven't heard one compelling reason to change the voting process with two months to go since the election.

COVID is a known entity at this point and we know how to NOT catch it. Masks, distancing, open air spaces. easy.

There will not be “mass mail voting” if you mean ballots being mailed to every voter in a state.

That type of voting system, which is legal and so far effective, will take place in I think 9 states, and 5 of those have done so previously, some for decades. And the systems are basically set now; no state that I know of is making any more significant changes other than NY that has a bill passed through their legislature but not yet signed into law.

Absentee voting, which the President seems to like and does personally, will be much more prevalent this year due to the pandemic. But that’s ok, right? Trump likes it, Democrats like it, it was passed into law or authorized in both red and blue states, by legislatures and by Secretaries of State from both parties. The President is encouraging his supporters in battleground states to vote via absentee ballot...and that’s great! People should absolutely take advantage of that option.

So...what are we fighting about?

Like @Homestar said, let’s fund the post office appropriately, which I agree Congress has failed to do for years. They hamstring the service by controlling its operations and then complain that it “loses money” and doesn’t work well.

Edited August 18, 2020 by nsplayr

[SurelySerious]

Frankly one of the largest money losing ventures of the USPS is this...courtesy of the UN still giving China 3d world nation postage discounts:

As U.S. Postage Rates Continue To Rise, The USPS Gives The Chinese A 'Free Ride'

International postage rates for incoming packages are set by a U.N. agency called the United Postal Union (UPU). This is a body that was established in 1874 — subsequently being absorbed into the U.N. — that is currently made up of 192 countries which meets every four years to revise its policy and set new terminal fees, with each country getting one vote a piece. While the voting system of the UPU is egalitarian, the shipping rates that it sets are not. According to Nancy Sparks of FedEx Express (via eCommerceBytes.com), the rate structure of the UPU is a system where the “haves pay the have-nots.” Essentially, countries that it deems to be poorer or less developed pay less for shipping to countries that are categorized as being richer. So someone shipping from, say, China, will pay significantly less to ship to a country like the U.S. than an American shipper will pay to send that same package to China.  

[Sua Sponte]

5 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

What is your definition of "legally entitled" to vote?  

 

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

[17D_guy]

3 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Frankly one of the largest money losing ventures of the USPS is this...courtesy of the UN still giving China 3d world nation postage discounts:

As U.S. Postage Rates Continue To Rise, The USPS Gives The Chinese A 'Free Ride'

Seems like something the current President could jump all over if he was serious about it...but he's really not.

[M2]

Isn't this the same post office that advises people not to send cash via the mail because it's not safe?!? 

[SurelySerious]

8 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Seems like something the current President could jump all over if he was serious about it...but he's really not.

Treaties and agreements fall on legislative branch, no?

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Treaties and agreements fall on legislative branch, no?

Treaties yes, agreements/deals like the now rescinded Iran Nuclear deal, no. Obama knew he’s never get majority approval in the Senate to approve it, hence why it became an agreement/deal.

[lloyd christmas]

17 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

Excellent.  We are both strict law and order guys when it comes to voting.  

[Sim]

Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

[CDAWG]

Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

Such a cliché and non-sensical thing to say. Denigrates the intelligence and respect of us card carrying Republicans.

Yes it’s dumb what they’re doing.


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[busdriver]

This mail in voting shenanigans is hilarious.  It's both party's overblown fears (voter suppression + voter fraud) rolled up into one shit-show of stupid.

[Negatory]

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256366878873792512

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265255835124539392?s=20

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.10tv.com/amp/article/news/nation-world/trump-november-election/507-ae05a9c5-99e0-48f1-b4d6-5da1e500ce10

The administration is basically setting up the ability to claim “fake news,” no matter what, when they lose. Which is good, because then they can get the eight more years he’s been floating.
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-third-term-because-they-spied-on-him-1045743/amp/
 

If Obama said this stuff, it probably would’ve been cool, right?

[FLEA]

3 hours ago, brawnie said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256366878873792512

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265255835124539392?s=20

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.10tv.com/amp/article/news/nation-world/trump-november-election/507-ae05a9c5-99e0-48f1-b4d6-5da1e500ce10

The administration is basically setting up the ability to claim “fake news,” no matter what, when they lose. Which is good, because then they can get the eight more years he’s been floating.
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-third-term-because-they-spied-on-him-1045743/amp/
 

If Obama said this stuff, it probably would’ve been cool, right?

Edit: I'm drunk. I'll reattack when I'm sober.

Edited August 19, 2020 by FLEA

[17D_guy]

4 hours ago, FLEA said:

Edit: I'm drunk. I'll reattack when I'm sober.

That's wisdom right there folks.

[Sim]

3 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

That's wisdom right there folks.

Or you can post memes while drunk. 

 

 

[FLEA]

22 hours ago, FLEA said:

Edit: I'm drunk. I'll reattack when I'm sober.

Hahaha. Yes, I read my initial response and it was completely senseless. Rather than try and piece it together, just call knock-it-off until my brain is 100% again. Anyway, my general opinion is any discussion Trump has of a third term is brought on by the Democrats. They made this an issue by literally handing him the justification with what we really need to recognize was their own election tampering in the form of inappropriately using federal investigation as a tool to damage an opposition presidential campaign. I would bitch too if I felt my entire first term was hampered by deep state political appointees who can't get with the program and realize the republic lawfully instilled new leadership and its completely immoral to believe you can sabotage national policy at the tactical level by hampering White House direction. 

They are all demons at the top and there are no moral actors. Trump was exactly right about one thing though. He absolutely could have walked in the middle of Time's Square and murdered somebody in broad daylight and still got elected. Joe Biden could do the exact same thing and guess what? His base is still going to vote for him. 

We need to filter out the discussion on corruption, morals, anti-constitutionality, etc.... because the reality is as voters, by and large, people don't really care. They are voting on the President for action and policy, not for moral judgement. Every discussion of "but he inappropriately said this" or "this photo came out" is white noise that really has no bearing on the candidate. Especially when both candidates are both god awful human beings. 

Trump won't get a third term because too many power hungry politicians at the top of the RNC will want their shot at office and they wont give him a third term nomination no matter how much he stretches the constitutionality of it. It really isn't important to pay any attention to his discussion of it. He will leave office because an entire working class of government officials including the Secret Service, under Hippocratic oath, will still do their part and ensure he leaves.