The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[17D_guy]

5 hours ago, brabus said:

... I would have opened the economy back up and put kids back in school. Continue to emphasize the need for hygiene, stay home if your sick, social distance to max extent possible, etc.

Isn't this what Texas, and to some degree (or not) FL and GA did?  I was still in San Antonio during the first 1/2 of this year, and we  locked down really hard.  Then like...a month later the oil prices started to drop and the "hoax crew" came out, and Abott started opening everything up again.  Despite local leaders asking him not to yet, especially in Houston and San Antonio.

[AirGuardianC141747]

BLUF: We will never know what the numbers of death might have been had nothing been done. We will definitely see more data on the impact on the economy this year, next year and beyond perhaps. It’s all 20/20 hindsight. 331,000,000 people and some change here supposedly in the U.S. 200,000 thereabouts passed due to recent pandemic so far (information given). Lessons learned hopefully, but whatever they may be the fact is it’s another way to stare into the abyss or move along if you will. Stay clean, do your due diligence and carry on, be safe as possible out there. Nothing added, just two factual numbers from a 45,000 ft level view for perspective. 
331M - 200K... Trillions of $, how deep will it go - definitely a New World. Cats and Dogs living together, Israeli commercial flights to UAE ( thru Saudi Airspace no less), FAA approves Amazon, etc to go forward regarding testing of drone fleet, protestors using Quickrete in attempt to seal in a police precinct and set it on fire(Police inside), who knew? 
 

Only thing I know - some people need cement block boots...

Edited September 1, 2020 by AirGuardianC141747

[brabus]

For the handful of peeps that didn’t like my statement regarding 6%...

Flu deaths:

2014/2017 - 51k/61k died / 2020 - 68k died (with COVID)

chronic lower respiratory disease deaths:

2018 - 159323 died / 2020 - 13780 died (with COVID)

Diabetes deaths in over 20:

2017 - 83564 died / 2020 - 25936 died (with COVID)
 

So yeah, the data shows, 1) These deaths in 2020 were likely to occur regardless of Covid. Read it: Only 8% of of the 2018 total of lower respiratory deaths have had COVID associated this year. 2) Covid did in fact happen to be just a CF in many cases, and not a RC. But by all means, you guys can continue to make ridiculous analogies like bleeding gunshot wounds and ignore data that doesn’t support your beliefs regarding Covid risk and mortality.

 

[SurelySerious]

It’s all fucking arbitrary. You can’t go to restaurants, your choice of faith gathering, etc, but mainline carrier X can seat you shoulder to shoulder with someone for hours straight. GMAFB and end the charades. Yeah, keep some distance from people when you can but get on with life. 

[brickhistory]

It's the condescending posts that impress me the most.

Just makes me realize that if I only agreed with my betters, I'd be "on the right side of history."

Or something...

[17D_guy]

37 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

It's the condescending posts that impress me the most.

Just makes me realize that if I only agreed with my betters, I'd be "on the right side of history."

Or something...

So do you have a refutation for the post, or just gonna run away with your feelings hurt appealing to some supposed future moral superiority? 

It was well laid out, even had pictures for our presidential types, and has sources.  Dude's not a robot, and is passionate about it.  "It" being not killing old people with our selfishness.

But whatever, you do you from 6ft away and/or with a mask please.

[FLEA]

22 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

So do you have a refutation for the post, or just gonna run away with your feelings hurt appealing to some supposed future moral superiority? 

It was well laid out, even had pictures for our presidential types, and has sources.  Dude's not a robot, and is passionate about it.  "It" being not killing old people with our selfishness.

But whatever, you do you from 6ft away and/or with a mask please.

Noone is arguing for anything selfish. If that's how you see things, you are not listening. 

[brickhistory]

He certainly is passionate about it.  While I disagree completely with his premise, he's putting on a reasonably good argument. 

Then ruins it with the condescending cheap shots.  If the reader is going through the points and the data then gets hit (metaphorically, not literally for any SJWs thinking that words are violence) with numerous cheap shots on how to think or that they are less worthy for thinking differently, then most human reactions are going to be "F U."

Don't get me wrong, I can go cheap shot and snarky with the best of them, but try to differentiate between a serious discussion that I care about, as in your example given, and the snark factor.  Not always successfully, admittedly.

As to your six foot advice and/or a mask, please ensure that you are completely retired and not still on terminal leave before you go completely freaky such that UCMJ wouldn't understand. 🙂   And congrats.

Now back to our earnest, yet oh so wrong, follow the herd even though there are differences within the scientific let alone political communities, correspondent.

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by brickhistory

[Egghead]

1 hour ago, Desk Jobs Suck said:

When this is perfectly acceptable and actively encouraged by MSM, with no mention of concern for the spread of COVID,

 

but this is lambasted by the MSM as "Trump, Pence greet crowd of supporters without masks"

 

How can anyone take COVID seriously whether you think it is a threat or not?

Maybe don't use a picture from *2015* as evidence?

https://www.startribune.com/black-lives-matter-group-to-rally-disrupt-operations-at-minnesota-state-fair/322479171/

[slackline]

When this is perfectly acceptable and actively encouraged by MSM, with no mention of concern for the spread of COVID,
 
but this is lambasted by the MSM as "Trump, Pence greet crowd of supporters without masks"

How can anyone take COVID seriously whether you think it is a threat or not?

Have a date, location or source for the BLM protest shot? I fully believe you that there were probably a bunch of idiots not following mask and physical distance rules, but looking at that picture, you can’t see any masks anywhere. Not even hanging around necks or off ears. I find it hard to believe that zero people were following guidelines in a crowd full of “bleeding heart liberals”, but sure, go ahead, post something that makes you look lazy. I’m sure it would have been real tough to find an actual picture supporting your point...


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[slackline]

Maybe don't use a picture from *2015* as evidence?
https://www.startribune.com/black-lives-matter-group-to-rally-disrupt-operations-at-minnesota-state-fair/322479171/

Dang, you beat me to it...


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[SurelySerious]

9 minutes ago, slackline said:

Have a date, location or source for the BLM protest shot? I fully believe you that there were probably a bunch of idiots not following mask and physical distance rules, but looking at that picture, you can’t see any masks anywhere. Not even hanging around necks or off ears. I find it hard to believe that zero people were following guidelines in a crowd full of “bleeding heart liberals”, but sure, go ahead, post something that makes you look lazy. I’m sure it would have been real tough to find an actual picture supporting your point...


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Have you seen any picture of any riot in the last 5 months on literally any day on any news channel? 

[slackline]

Have you seen any picture of any riot in the last 5 months on literally any day on any news channel? 

Yeah, you see masks everywhere. Maybe not on everyone, but there is a lot of evidence that a pandemic is going on.


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[SurelySerious]

Just now, slackline said:

Yeah, you see masks everywhere. Maybe not on everyone, but there is a lot of evidence that a pandemic is going on.


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Masks to hide identity, while they mass together with no regard for spacing. You’re rather obtuse if you think they give two shits about Covid. 

[slackline]

That wasn't very hard....

I see you don’t do sarcasm. Clearly it isn’t hard, and I did, in fact, say it wouldn’t surprise me to have a bunch of idiots. There are also clearly people with masks in this photo.


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[slackline]

Masks to hide identity, while they mass together with no regard for spacing. You’re rather obtuse if you think they give two shits about Covid. 

Nailed it! Great personal attack when you have absolutely zero evidence to back up what you’ve just said.


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[Negatory]

2 hours ago, brickhistory said:

It's the condescending posts that impress me the most.

Just makes me realize that if I only agreed with my betters, I'd be "on the right side of history."

Or something...

I regret presenting it this way as I said at the premise, but after seeing the 6% COVID CDC statistics presented so many times incorrectly (across this forum and many different social media sites), I am frustrated. Mainly, I am frustrated that the smartest people I know seem to embrace points without doing much critical thinking because it aligns with them from an identity standpoint.

And to your second point, whether you like it or not, your choices and beliefs absolutely will be assessed with 20/20 hindsight. There often IS a right side of history. You don’t see too many textbooks now spouting the merits of the San Francisco antimasker alliance that existed during the Spanish Flu.

[slackline]

My point is the narrative being spewed by the MSM. Not "a bunch of idiots on both sides". One side actively lies and misinforms us. Especially when we are being told that "self proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night ,armed and looking for a fight. Every Oregonian has the right to freely express their views without fear of deadly violence. I will not allow Patriot Prayer and armed white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to our streets." Straight from the governor. 

You’re kidding yourself if you are believing the garbage coming out of Fox? What brawnie said about all MSM, liars and crooks out to make a buck. They push whatever narrative will drive viewership. Don’t do the whole, one side is lying more than the other shtick though because that’s disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst. Right and Left will lie straight to your face all day long. They do! Look at the president for goodness sake! This is probably what I hate most about politics, or I should say politicians; pot calling the kettle black! Blind to their own shenanigans while screaming about those of the other side of the aisle.

Peddle your one side is worse than the other nonsense somewhere else. They both suck! Equally, sometimes for the same crap, sometimes for differing reasons.


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[GrndPndr]

1 hour ago, slackline said:

I see you don’t do sarcasm. Clearly it isn’t hard, and I did, in fact, say it wouldn’t surprise me to have a bunch of idiots. There are also clearly people with masks in this photo.


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Yes, there is clearly one person with a mask on.

[SurelySerious]

2 hours ago, slackline said:

Nailed it! Great personal attack when you have absolutely zero evidence to back up what you’ve just said.


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It’s a general observation bro. I don’t need to interview the thousands of people all together in the street yelling, screaming, breaking and burning shit, and getting in people’s faces to know they don’t give a fuck about covid. 

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

 they don’t give a fuck about covid. 

Finally something the far left and far right agree on

[busdriver]

4 hours ago, brawnie said:

the San Francisco antimasker alliance that existed during the Spanish Flu.

Please tell me you're serious, was that an actual thing?  Good god that would be awesome.

[brabus]

5 hours ago, brawnie said:

Mainly, I am frustrated that the smartest people I know seem to embrace points without doing much critical thinking because it aligns with them from an identity standpoint.

Hello pot...

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by brabus

[busdriver]

10 hours ago, brawnie said:

This post is unfortunately more condescending than I like, but I guess it is what it is....

 my mutual funds need to go up NOW.

I realize most of your rant between facts was just that (by your own admission).

But, the mutual funds vs grandma dying is a strawman argument.  Economic impacts of in determinant length community lockdowns/restrictions/whatever aren't at the stock market level, and you know that.  

[Negatory]

54 minutes ago, busdriver said:

I realize most of your rant between facts was just that (by your own admission).

But, the mutual funds vs grandma dying is a strawman argument.  Economic impacts of in determinant length community lockdowns/restrictions/whatever aren't at the stock market level, and you know that.  

Sure, you’re right. The economic impact is real and must be considered versus health effects, and my argument oversimplified that very important fact.