COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[BashiChuni]

7 hours ago, Day Man said:

 vaccine conspiracy theory. 

"safe and effective"

"you take it you will not get covid"

"winter of severe illness or death for the unvaccinated"

"100% protection against getting covid"

and you have the arrogance and hubris to accuse people of vaccine conspiracy theory? HAHA

people have the right to be skeptical.

[brabus]

16 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Is something I posted incorrect?  

You and I probably align almost 100% on the Covid debacle. But, the twitter post implies the Red Cross rule is another smoking gun regarding Covid info cover up. The reality is they just say you have to simply wait 2 weeks to donate blood if you got a live virus vaccine. This does not include the 3x companies that probably 99% of America got.

There are lots of smoking guns out there and tons of data that shows how fucked up/wrong/ineffective the vaccines and other COVID responses were/are, and demo the extreme amount of gaslighting conducted by the govt, the medical community, and big Pharm (and championed by the shithead progressive left). I have no trust in our govt, big Pharm, and medical community gets almost none - case by case basis I’ll trust any of them. But like it or not, this specific Red Cross thing is absolutely a nothing burger. Every time somebody goes after something like this, it provides a, “ha, gotcha!” moment for the left, and they use it to delegitimize the overarching message (which is a valid message). It’s not a good plan to fight mouth breathers with mouth breathing.

[tac airlifter]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

You and I probably align almost 100% on the Covid debacle. But, the twitter post implies the Red Cross rule is another smoking gun regarding Covid info cover up. The reality is they just say you have to simply wait 2 weeks to donate blood if you got a live virus vaccine. This does not include the 3x companies that probably 99% of America got.

It's absolutely not a nothing burger, but neither is it some giant gotcha moment (which I didn't claim). In 2023 you could donate blood immediately after receiving a vaccine, now you can't. What changed? What other implications might that change have?  You talk about the manufacturers from 99% of Americans, but consider over 7 million illegal immigrants recently added to the country and many of them are donating blood to make money.  Have you donated blood recently? I was blown away how many non English speaking obvious new immigrants are using this as a cash source.

if you were expecting a smoking gun to collapse the liberal C19 scam, this isn't it nor did I say it was.  But think for a moment about the second and third order effects of the subtle policy shift, and the fact we are now acknowledging unknown risks were forced upon us; it should be clear this is not fake news to be ignored.

 

[brabus]

28 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

In 2023 you could donate blood immediately after receiving a vaccine, now you can't.

 Hate to say it man, but you are completely wrong - you absolutely can give blood immediately after getting a vaccine, including Covid vaccines and boosters from multiple companies. It’s very clearly stated on the website.  

And what was the point of your illegals comment? Seems like a red herring - I don’t see how that aspect is related at all to the specific discussion on giving blood IRT vaccine status.

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This is a new (ish) restriction from the Red Cross.  The fact they have new information resulting in new safety guidelines means new things are being understood about a vaccine

These guidelines were published as early as Feb 21 (3 years ago). So no, they are not “new.”

 

Again, I’m with you on everything that’s fucked with COVID responses, but making arguments based on extreme grasping at straws is not helpful and only serves to reduce credibility of the overarching message.

Another example was the recent outcry by some conservatives about the CPS taking a kid from their home in MT. It initially blew up in conservative circles - and it was a 100% good and right thing for CPS to do in that specific circumstance. Those conservatives who bought and propagated that story in the early days only hurt the credibility of the valid argument against the govt strong arming parental control/rights over their children. The overarching message is valid and good, but the reaction to that MT case weakened the overall argument. The left is not the only group of people susceptible to falling for bullshit, half truths, and extreme exaggerations. 

Edited February 21, 2024 by brabus

[tac airlifter]

21 minutes ago, brabus said:

 Hate to say it man, but you are completely wrong - you absolutely can give blood immediately after getting a vaccine....

And what was the point of your illegals comment? 

1. Your first comment is wrong. You cannot give blood immediately after receiving a vaccine if it is in the category of manufacture requiring a two week wait.  That is new.  That's what this post is about.  This new policy applies to some manufacturers and not others, for brevity I left that out of my original statement.

2. The point of my post is given this new restriction, what information is that based on and what other implications might that information have? That is the whole point.  It's not a smoking gun, and was not meant to be.

3. you're confused why I brought up illegal immigrants, so let me spell it out for you: you said 99% of Americans received a vaccine not impacted by the new two week restriction.  But there is a new large group of people giving lots of blood coming from locations where this is relevant.  Is this why there's a new policy?  A speculative question on my part, but this is a discussion board, and the point is to discuss. Clearly I'm not as articulate as I thought I was if you don't understand the point under discussion.

4. And that is ultimately my response to you: you are looking at this as a completely irrelevant minor detail being blown into a large issue.  If it's so irrelevant, why did the Red Cross come out with a new policy?   Given how cagey information surrounding Covid has been, this was new and noteworthy and worth mentioning. I did not blow this into a major issue, other people did, by assuming more into the post than is actually there. Cheers.
 

Edited February 21, 2024 by tac airlifter

[brabus]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

if it is in the category of manufacture requiring a two week wait.  That is new.  That's what this post is about.

The point of my post is given this new restriction...

If it's so irrelevant, why did the Red Cross come out with a new policy?

Sigh...dude it's not new. That has been policy for over 3 years now. I'm not making a comment on said policy, just that it's not a new thing, and portraying it as new is invalid. So if this is what your posts are about as you just said, then this entire discussion is flawed because it's based on a false premise.

For the third time, we probably agree on just about everything COVID-related, but you're clearly seeing red and grasping for anything that supports your opinion, critical thought and individual research be damned. I likely agree with your overall opinion of all things COVID-related, but there's plenty of valid data to support said opinion; this straw man is not one of them.

[Day Man]

20 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

From the link:

“If you’ve received a COVID-19 vaccine, you’ll need to provide the manufacturer name when you come to donate….There is no deferral time for eligible blood donors who are vaccinated with an inactivated or RNA based COVID-19 vaccine manufactured by AstraZeneca, Janssen/J&J, Moderna, Novavax, or Pfizer”

Did you purposefully omit the preceding sentence? 

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"The Red Cross is following FDA blood donation eligibility guidance for those who receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and deferral times may vary depending on the type of vaccine an individual receives."

 

13 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

"you take it you will not get covid"

"100% protection against getting covid"

and you have the arrogance and hubris to accuse people of vaccine conspiracy theory? HAHA

people have the right to be skeptical.

that's not how any vaccine works bro...and I can't remember any legitimate medical authority saying either of those things.

 

[tac airlifter]

27 minutes ago, brabus said:

Sigh...dude it's not new. That has been policy for over 3 years now. 

You are hard to talk to and full of assumptions, so I will end our dialogue by answering your above sentence, which seems to be the core disagreement.

False.  Maybe they went back-and-forth with policies I don't know, but just for fun I opened my old folder from group deputy and found the Red Cross authored policy for DOD as of Jan 23-- zero restrictions on blood donation of any type after Covid vaccination. In fact, it was encouraged for some reason.   I'm not going to scan the memo, but this popped up in a 1 second search essentially saying the same thing: https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/press-release/2023/blood-community-reiterates-the-safety-of-america-s-blood-supply.html

I was unfortunately heavily involved in discipline issues during that time, meaning after graduating SQ/CC I was an admin bitch for WG & GP leadership picking through the complicated nuances of Covid discipline.  Guidance was changing constantly, faster than the organization could communicate. Frequently guidance would be in conflict with other guidance.  I don't know what the policy was in 2021 since I was busy killing enemies, but I know what it was in 2023, and I know that it has changed in 2024. Cheers.  
 

 

[brabus]

@tac airlifter

Directly from the Red Cross…

[HeloDude]

4 hours ago, Day Man said:

that's not how any vaccine works bro...and I can't remember any legitimate medical authority saying either of those things.

Ummm…from the CDC Director

WALENSKY: First of all, I just want to note that I share this optimism. I`m so -- I`m so impressed with our ability to vaccinate at a clip of 3 million vaccinations a day. We have 93 million Americans who have gotten their first dose, 51 million who have gotten their second dose.

And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data.

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442

[BashiChuni]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2023/2/8/23591132/cdc-exaggerated-evidence-supporting-mask-mandates-column-jacob-sullum
 

you don’t say? 

[BashiChuni]

[brabus]

That was known at least a couple years ago, but of course there was a massive effort to suppress said information.  Similarly I got a good laugh out of Fauci recently admitting the 6 ft distancing rule was basically pulled out of his ass and had no scientific data to support it (keep in mind the rest of the world did 1m from the beginning).

[herkbier]

17 hours ago, brabus said:

That was known at least a couple years ago, but of course there was a massive effort to suppress said information.  Similarly I got a good laugh out of Fauci recently admitting the 6 ft distancing rule was basically pulled out of his ass and had no scientific data to support it (keep in mind the rest of the world did 1m from the beginning).

It was known from day one by anyone with a functioning brain. Sadly, that is less than 49% of our country. 

Edited February 25, 2024 by herkbier

[brabus]

4 hours ago, herkbier said:

It was known from day one by anyone with a functioning brain. Sadly, that is less than 49% of our country. 

I was allowing for a “reasonable” amount of time (subjective of course) for the average person to sort through it; the ones with legit critical thinking and problem solving skills figured it out much faster. 

[FourFans]

16 hours ago, brabus said:

for the average person to sort through it

Based on the number of cloth masks covering chins and mouths I see while commuting through ATL, my personal assessment is that they haven't yet.  

Edited February 26, 2024 by FourFans

[VigilanteNav]

I doubt he'll read it but this brought me great pleasure in envisioning BC's head exploding as he reads this.  Enjoy! 

https://www.wired.com/story/man-gets-217-covid-vaccine-shots-totally-fine/

[brabus]

To be fair, look at Keith Richards, Ozzy, and grandpa who smoked 3 packs a day from age 12 and is still alive at 103. Outliers exist.

[BashiChuni]

No mask before the speech. 
 

masked up when the cameras are on. 

[dream big]

On 3/9/2024 at 10:09 AM, BashiChuni said:

No mask before the speech. 
 

masked up when the cameras are on. 

Just catering to his brain dead voter base. 

[BashiChuni]

Oh? I’m shocked!

https://www.dossier.today/p/new-studies-pfizers-paxlovid-doesnt
 

 

[BashiChuni]

FOLKS!

[FourFans]

The power of placebo and positive thinking!

[ClearedHot]

Chinese scientist who first published COVID sequence stages protest after being locked out of lab

Yeah nothing to see here...

[slc]

Yeah this guy will "quietly" disappear ...... nothing to see here...... plod on sheep