6 minutes ago, No One said:

I can name at least 13 directly attributable to the current admin.

"Pallets of cash" conveniently ignoring that legally it was Iran's own money that had been previously locked up. And we're now looking at paying them 15x that amount immediately and 176x that amount later on. And not out of Iran's frozen funds this time but out of our own taxpayers pockets to boot.

This thread is hilariously quiet while everyone waits to get their talking points on how what I outlined above is actually the checkmate move in trump's 4d chess game and not what it is at face value. Total capitulation and global embarrassment.

Because you are not telling the truth...

1. Unlike the deal with Obama we are not flying a plane full of cash to start things off, this is performance based deal. They get ZERO access to the funds until they comply with the nuclear details that have yet to be fully agreed upon.

2. There are no taxpayer dollars, again ZERO U.S. dollars. .69 seconds of GoogleFu and your argument is displayed as nonsense.

It cool if you don't like this deal but when you lie to try and make you points sound better...it turns out ungood.

13 deaths...horrible, the outrage should go both ways like the other 13 you don't ever mention.

Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Darin T. Hoover

Marine Corps Sergeant Johanny Rosario Pichardo

Marine Corps Sergeant Nicole L. Gee

Marine Corps Corporal Hunter Lopez

Marine Corps Corporal Daegan W. Page

Marine Corps Corporal Humberto A. Sanchez

Marine Corps Lance Corporal David L. Espinoza

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Jared M. Schmitz

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Rylee J. McCollum

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Dylan R. Merola

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Kareem M. Nikoui

Army Staff Sergeant Ryan C. Knauss

Navy Hospital Corpsman Third Class Maxton W. Soviak

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

Because you are not telling the truth...

1. Unlike the deal with Obama we are not flying a plane full of cash to start things off, this is performance based deal. They get ZERO access to the funds until they comply with the nuclear details that have yet to be fully agreed upon.

2. There are no taxpayer dollars, again ZERO U.S. dollars. .69 seconds of GoogleFu and your argument is displayed as nonsense.

It cool if you don't like this deal but when you lie to try and make you points sound better...it turns out ungood.

13 deaths...horrible, the outrage should go both ways like the other 13 you don't ever mention.

Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Darin T. Hoover

Marine Corps Sergeant Johanny Rosario Pichardo

Marine Corps Sergeant Nicole L. Gee

Marine Corps Corporal Hunter Lopez

Marine Corps Corporal Daegan W. Page

Marine Corps Corporal Humberto A. Sanchez

Marine Corps Lance Corporal David L. Espinoza

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Jared M. Schmitz

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Rylee J. McCollum

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Dylan R. Merola

Marine Corps Lance Corporal Kareem M. Nikoui

Army Staff Sergeant Ryan C. Knauss

Navy Hospital Corpsman Third Class Maxton W. Soviak

Ironically those 13 are also attributable to the current admin's negotiating skills. Turns out cutting the Afghan gov out of negotiations and releasing a ton of taliban results in a cluster of a withdrawal.

1. Does it really matter if it's literal plane fulls? Currently Iran is getting additional income via "tolls" and an alleged $25B of funds from negotiations that far exceeds the release of their own funds under Obama's deal.

2. Tbd. The $300B figure which has been verified by our own VP is allegedly gulf state funded. It isn't released "unless they perform" which sounds a lot like the old deal we had... Just with a lot more cash. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a shell game to save face and a significant chunk of funds come from the US.

3. The conflict itself has cost taxpayers an estimated $110B+ to date. The official figure is around $50B but that doesn't account for inflationary costs (primarily fuel) associated with the war.

If you want to claim I'm lying feel free to provide some sources. But at the moment we've got:

1. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/jd-vance-details-us-iran-agreement-scepticism-republicans

3. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/27/politics/iran-war-spending-cancelled-trainings-delayed-maintenance

On 6/15/2026 at 4:38 AM, Negat0ry said:

ah, he’s mad. What’s the bullshit again? What exactly do I not have knowledge of? Be specific.

Not mad at all, just calling out frauds like yourself. Your entire “knowledge base” is built on whatever the media spews and a significant political bias. You do not have first hand knowledge and you demonstrate such a lack of understanding of classification and information ops, I doubt you’re even in the mil, or at least in a role that would actually understand these things.

Specifics? The last post I replied to, and somewhere around 90%+ of your other posts in this thread alone.

2 hours ago, No One said:

I can name at least 13 directly attributable to the current admin.

"Pallets of cash" conveniently ignoring that legally it was Iran's own money that had been previously locked up. And we're now looking at paying them 15x that amount immediately and 176x that amount later on. And not out of Iran's frozen funds this time but out of our own taxpayers pockets to boot.

This thread is hilariously quiet while everyone waits to get their talking points on how what I outlined above is actually the checkmate move in trump's 4d chess game and not what it is at face value. Total capitulation and global embarrassment.

You mean 13 attributable to a mass murdering radical Islamic controlled government? We have been in conflict with Iran since 1979. More Americans have died from Iran directly or indirectly than from any other country. This escalation was bound to happen eventually.

What I don't get is, why anyone here supports/defends/thinks this deal is good (enough), let alone think that this deal satisfies the goal of all the military action/lose of life, etc. I don't get it.

1 hour ago, dream big said:

You mean 13 attributable to a mass murdering radical Islamic controlled government? We have been in conflict with Iran since 1979. More Americans have died from Iran directly or indirectly than from any other country. This escalation was bound to happen eventually.

They don't care...orange man bad, who gives a flying F if thousands of Americans died from Iran's support of terror.

2 hours ago, brabus said:

Not mad at all, just calling out frauds like yourself. Your entire “knowledge base” is built on whatever the media spews and a significant political bias. You do not have first hand knowledge and you demonstrate such a lack of understanding of classification and information ops, I doubt you’re even in the mil, or at least in a role that would actually understand these things.

Specifics? The last post I replied to, and somewhere around 90%+ of your other posts in this thread alone.

Whatever makes you feel better buddy. You still didn’t answer the question (because you struggle with your arguments).

Also, you’re so far off base it’s hilarious, but it does make me appreciate the internet. Remember how delusional you guys are that when a retired C-17 squadron commander came in a couple months ago with different views than the talk radio pumping into your assholes, you all literally said his account must have been compromised because you can’t COMPREHEND that you live in an echo chamber of delusion.

Iran is a unique lone actor in the world. As outlined by a few high iq intelligence experts; they have 3 dangerous characteristics that most of the other current “bad actors” don’t have. They have 1) an ideologically extremist state leadership in place, they have 2) a decently effective war fighting machine with the ability to wreak havoc in their immediate area, and 3) they have the desire to force their ideology on other nations and people groups. A dangerous trifecta that historically (recently) included nazi Germany.

In case disputes of my claim arise … I am fully aware that we could also include the communist and socialist countries of Vietnam, Cambodia, N Korea, Russia/USSR, and China (they all have or had at least portions of all 3 to varying degrees). I don’t think these nations are as dogmatic as the islamists are in their attempts to burn and/or conquer foreign lands.

if the leaked agreement points are valid, I’m not too pleased and hoped for much more demand and way less (none) reward or compensation. I’ll reserve full judgement until all the details are fully known (actionable plans and oversight).

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48 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Iran is a unique lone actor in the world. As outlined by a few high iq intelligence experts they have 3 dangerous characteristics that most of the other current “bad actors” don’t have. They have 1) an ideologically extremist state leadership in place, they have 2) a decently effective war fighting machine with the ability to wreak havoc in their immediate area, and 3) they have the desire to force their ideology on other nations and people groups. A dangerous trifecta that historically (recently) included nazi Germany.

In case disputes of my claim arise … I am fully aware that we could also include the communist and socialist countries of Vietnam, Cambodia, N Korea, Russia/USSR, and China (they all have or had at least portions of all 3 to varying degrees). I don’t think these nations are as dogmatic as the islamists are in their attempts to burn and/or conquer foreign lands.

if the leaked agreement points are valid, I’m not too pleased and hoped for much more demand and way less (none) reward or compensation. I’ll reserve full judgement until all the details are fully known (actionable plans and oversight).

Their cyber operations are also good and getting better.

A few thoughts:

1. This deal is going to be ass, but any deal no matter how bad is better than continuing the incoherence we’ve witnessed over the last few months. Any amount of cash given to the Iranians, be it pallets on a c-17 or sanctions relief or a $300B tip option on a square reader, is pennies on the dollar compared to the economic damage this thing was going to cause if we continued through the summer and ran our strategic reserve dry. I am happy to let Trump claim the win if it means we get to stop the abject retardation and putting our folks in danger for little to no strategic gain.

2. The “biggest state sponsor of terror” line is so tired and silly. First of all, with the materiel we left the Taliban, there’s zero chance we aren’t the biggest state sponsor or terror on an absolute monetary level. You can say it wasn’t intentional or it’s all biden’s fault but over the years our blunders and failed interventions have financed and engendered more terrorism than anyone else.. by far. But more generally i just dispute this framing. “#1 state sponsor of terror” implies there have been countless Iranian backed terrorist attacks in our homeland. Except the reality is WE are the occupying force in the Middle East and the Iranians have financed groups that have attacked our troops in THEIR hemisphere.

   Still fuck Iran and every American service member killed is a tragedy but I think we can be more accurate/mature with our language and say “Iran acts against our interests in the region.” Their sponsorship of militant groups that attack our troops is no different than us attempting to arm Kurds to overthrow them. Just be honest and admit we have opposing interests and neither of us really consider morals when we are deciding who to finance to fuck over the other side. I know this point is bound to get a bunch of pearl clutching over “moral equivalence” but I think it’s more productive to acknowledge that our countries operate in our own (or Israel’s) interest with very little regard for what is morally “right.”

3. Ultimately we’ll have a lot more to discuss once the text of the MOU and the eventual deal go public. Because we can’t be sure what’s in it. But what we can be sure of is the reaction:

The left will hate it because it’s just JCPOA but with more money and more steps

The zionists and neocons will hate it because it isn’t total war with Iran

And the maga loyalists will love it and see our president’s months of unhinged waffling as completely vindicated and a totally brilliant negotiating strategy.

Which of y'all wants to explain this 4d chess move to me? Or can we only do that in a scif?

"Below is the text of the 14-point draft memorandum, as seen by Bloomberg News.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.

Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.

Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.

The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council."

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10 hours ago, dream big said:

You mean 13 attributable to a mass murdering radical Islamic controlled government? We have been in conflict with Iran since 1979. More Americans have died from Iran directly or indirectly than from any other country. This escalation was bound to happen eventually.

No I mean the 13 attributable directly to a conflict we didn't need to be in. That were only in harms way because this admin chose to put them there. In any other timeline they would not be dead. How many times do we need to get our hand bitten in the middle Eastern oil jar before we stop blaming them and stop sticking our hand into it? The escalation was only bound to happen because we stopped any attempts at diplomacy, gave it not even a half passed effort (did you see the professionals we sent to negotiate?), and have proven as a nation we can't be relied upon to stick to any deals we make for more than 1 admin. As a nation we aren't reliable.

As a side note considering 5 of those 13 were in a midair accident, it's a stretch to blame Iranian regime for them. Are we also going to blame them for the 8 that just died in the buff crash?

9 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

They don't care...orange man bad, who gives a flying F if thousands of Americans died from Iran's support of terror.

And yet somehow y'all don't care about the thousands of Americans dying yearly from the lack of proper Healthcare, shelter, or food in this country. Or millions suffering after we cut usaid plus our loss of global soft power. There are so many better things we could've spent these funds with a better roi in terms of $ for American lives.

It's not orange man bad. It's not Iran good. It's the fact that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. And now after having squeezed it anyways, we're in a worse off position than we started in by any measure of regional status quo be that Jul 15, May 18, Oct 23, or Jan 26.