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[uhhello]

Dude was dead before they got him to the truck.  Zero chance anyone could take that hit in that area.  He could have been on operating table when shot and still probably would have died.  In the closeup video, he lost 1/4 of his volume in a few seconds.  

200 yard shot and shooter not caught yet.  

Edited yesterday at 08:54 PM by uhhello

[mp5g]

1 minute ago, nunya said:

CNN is saying he's dead.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3801410/charlie-kirk-utah-valley-university-shooting/
 

so is Washington Examiner. 
 

and Truth Social via Trumps account:

[jrizzell]

This is a really f’ing depressing. I don’t know how America recovers from the trajectory we’re on. Prayers for his wife and two daughters


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[ViperMan]

51 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

This is a really f’ing depressing. I don’t know how America recovers from the trajectory we’re on. Prayers for his wife and two daughters

Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence.

Look at history. What do you see?

[lloyd christmas]

I would imagine there are thousands of fraternity houses cracking beers right now getting ready to party on campus for Charlie tonight.  

[ClearedHot]

My views straddle both sides of the aisle and I try to be open but for F@cks Sake some of these Liberals are soulless humans.  

An MSNBC guest sickly speculated that the person who shot Charlie Kirk in the neck could have been one of his supporters firing a gun “in celebration.”Illinois Governor JB Pritzker is already blaming Trump for Charlie's death.  What a disgusting blob of a human.

An MSNBC guest sickly speculated that the person who shot Charlie Kirk in the neck could have been one of his supporters firing a gun “in celebration.”  Another blames Kirk for saying words.

 

On the floor of Congress another sickening display.

And of course your typical liberals celebrating online.

 

 

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:

Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence.

Look at history. What do you see?

Sort of. The answer is violence from the state. 

 

This is not new. The 60's had a *lot* of political violence. Hunt them and lock them up. Publicly and ruthlessly. 

 

If not, and where we agree, is that violence will be the response

[bfargin]

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

[Boomer6]

26 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

I'm pro rule of law as well, and opposed to it taking years to convict a murderer. However, the answer to defending Americans' right to voice their opinions free from the risk of death is not to become China or nK in our execution of justice (i.e. a one day trial).

Televising the execution might help. Especially if they request a firing squad.

Edited 22 hours ago by Boomer6

[bfargin]

Yeah I might have gone too far in the shortness of a fair trial. But, they do have the whole murder on film so there is not much to defend (you got my point).

[pbar]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

Yep.  Why is Dylan Roof still alive 8 years after he was handed a death sentence!?!?  He was caught red-handed and there isn't the slightest doubt as to his guilt but yet justice is delayed and delayed.  And don't get me started on Sgt Hasan Akbar.  20 years!

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
 

20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

I'm mostly on board with you. I don't think the death penalty should be public though, as it lowers us and I think would delegitimize our justice system by making a spectacle out of it. That's not necessary. Philosophically I have no issue with the death penalty. I also don't think it needs to be a deterrent to be a just punishment. Holding "deterrence" as a requisite for applying the death penalty is adopting the Left's frame.

The death penalty is about revenge. It's an eye for an eye. It's about extracting the maximum amount of justice on behalf of the person who can no longer exact it for themselves. It hasn't got anything to do with deterring crime IMO. If deterrence is a side effect for those who are so base as to need to be deterred from heinous acts, then fine, but that's a bonus.

Practically, there are many instances where the justice system has fallen short, however. Making it the case that the application of the death penalty is historically fraught.

[Sua Sponte]

Here in Utah, Governor Cox reminded the media that Utah has the death penalty. I wouldn't be surprised if the suspect is caught, both the state and the feds charge a capital case.

[ClearedHot]

More gems from our thoughtful and compassionate friends on the left.

[GrndPndr]

11 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

More gems from our thoughtful and compassionate friends on the left.

Lovely.  Part of the sadness I feel about asinine comments like these, is that they are driven by the stereotype of Charlie Kirk, and not the facts.  All you have to do is watch a few of the clips from his "encounters" and you discover he was none of the nasty things he's being called right now.  The level of ignorance-fueled hate is, as always, unbelievable - but expected from the left.

[brabus]

The left is an unhinged cult. And to be clear, I’m not talking about the moderate dems who hold liberal beliefs on social services, health care, economics, etc.  I’m talking about the large group on the left who cannot stand to hear someone doesn’t agree with them and subsequently wishes harm and ruin on them because of a differing opinion. That group is quite large. Time for people to wake up and actually hold these lunatics accountable for their rhetoric and actions.

[Mole]

Local Vet clinic owner is getting a lot of heat for his comments. 

[VMFA187]

It's very hard to fight an asymmetric war and maintain your virtues. I hope all of those people get doxed.  

 

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

 

"These effects were driven by respondents that self-identified as left of center, with 48% and 55% at least somewhat justifying murder for Elon Musk and President Trump, respectively."

Edited 5 hours ago by VMFA187

[brabus]

Yep, gloves off. Every one of these sick fucks (such as Mole’s vet example) should be doxxed, made to lose their jobs/unhireable, refused service at any business who knows about them, etc. They should not be assaulted or their property destroyed, but their easy lives should be made horribly difficult and intolerable. Fuck em. 

[Boomer6]

How is DOXING ppl for their beliefs/comments, regardless of how reprehensible they are, any different than what the left does? That's their MO, ruin the lives of ppl they disagree with.

Edited 2 hours ago by Boomer6

[uninformed]

I know in my state (Utah) doxxing is illegal.  Though, if someone is stupid enough to post hateful comments on the same platform as their business...well, I guess doxxing yourself is okay.

This shooting hit pretty close to home for me.  I've been to the campus many times, know professors there, two of my kids attended the school.  I know students circulated petitions to ban Kirk from speaking.  The actual petition to ban Kirk stated he "doesn't align with the college's value of inclusivity to all." Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.  

Utah is a very conservative state (obviously) with pockets of liberals in the large cities and college campuses.  The hate from the left in the local media (comment section), even here, is just sad.  One has to wonder how many nuts out there read comments calling Trump Hitler and conservatives Nazis and decide, for the good of the world, to take action.  Certainly one did yesterday.  

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

How is DOXING ppl for their beliefs/comments, regardless of how reprehensible they are, any different than what the left does? That's their MO, ruin the lives of ppl they disagree with.

Agreed and while what they have said is reprehensible, this approach is likely an insult as Charlie was fighting for his beliefs, the Constitution and debate...which clearly includes free speech.  there is of course a line in calling for more violence but most of this is tasteless sickening opinion.

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

How is DOXING ppl for their beliefs/comments, regardless of how reprehensible they are, any different than what the left does? That's their MO, ruin the lives of ppl they disagree with.

It's different because the Overton window is real, and it matters. And for too long the right has allowed the left full control of the window. 

 

You absolutely 100% should lose your livelihood and reputation for saying certain things. The question is, what are those things? You cannot have a society that has absolutely no shared values, and not being murdered for holding an opposing belief is a pretty obvious value. 

 

Take note, I did not say that the government should be the one to take your job from you for speech. But if we societally can't agree that supporting the murder of innocent people is not an acceptable view to hold, and as such, a disqualifying view from civil participation, then we do not have a society. 

 

The more extreme examples of this are on full display in Europe right now. But if we don't get a handle on it, we will follow them. 

 

We do not have 350 million philosophers in America. People by and large adopt the views of those around them, and express them only if they believe it is safe to do so. Technology has made it possible for citizens to be exposed to ideologies that we didn't used to have to worry about. We are operating as though the lunatics amongst us are limited in their reach to a soapbox on a street corner. That is just not the case anymore. 

 

Absolutely humiliating anyone who promotes the idea that Charlie Kirk, or anyone like him, should have been killed, will dramatically reduce such discourse, and as a result, dramatically reduce the spread of these poisonous beliefs. And yes, for the most extreme violations of the Overton window, getting punched repeatedly in the face is on the table. 

 

We need to stop pretending like the miracle that is the United States was created through a tortured definition of freedom of thought or expression that the framers never intended.

[brabus]

3 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

How is DOXING ppl for their beliefs/comments, regardless of how reprehensible they are, any different than what the left does? That's their MO, ruin the lives of ppl they disagree with.

Because looking the other way, tolerating their behavior, “being the bigger person” has failed. They will stop at nothing to destroy anyone who is not part of their cult. Going too far would be burning cities/destroying property, inciting violence against them/killing them directly (unless in self defense). But, making sure their employers, neighbors, etc. know what POS they are, refusing them service, being direct with them that their evil bullshit is not wanted and will not be tolerated in our society any longer - that’s fair game and what needs to happen.