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[Mark1]

31 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Details like I never in my statements took a position?

Details like I never said that all 2600 were for trump? All I did was show you a percentage.

Never did define what a difference meant. It wasn’t defined in yours or my statements. Yes 2600 x 5 exceeds the current voting total differences between Biden and trump. I was giving a hypothetical.

It’s the current news cycle. Why can’t I ask you guys for opinions or pull out data and try to discuss? Why is that so offensive to you?

Seriously asking. Don’t understand the rationale. You mis quote me and mis guess at my intentions then get pissed off about it. Doesn’t make sense to me. I feel like I’m talking up to you on your high horse. Maybe you could ask me questions by what I mean instead of assuming.

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to present this specific story in a long line of similarly themed things you've pointed towards over the last few weeks.  Feigning offense at the fact that I 'assumed' something because it wasn't explicitly contained within a paticular post won't get you anywhere with me.

It's time to face reality.  They said it couldn't be done, but George Soros and the New World Order organized the most complex conspiracy in the history of the world, infiltrated Dominion, and unleashed cutting edge CIA technology called Hammer and Scorecoard to surrupticiously steal the election without leaving a trace.  An entity capable of pulling that off isn't going to have left enough untied loose ends (like 2600 uncounted ballots in 30+ counties) lying around to make a difference.  It's over.  They won this battle.  Gotta reconstitute for the next one so you can win the war.

[Pooter]

Oof that was a rough debrief

[FLEA]

4 hours ago, drewpey said:

I get that there is a legal road the Trump party is going to pursue, but ultimately we've seen a number of these avenues slowly dry up.  A quick daily scan of POTUS twitter doesn't seem to paint a realistic grasp of his situation, and his resolve seems to strengthen each day and his vocabulary grows more desperate as he paints himself the victim of a grand conspiracy and the real winner.  Do you trump supporters think that, hypothetically if his legal avenues don't pan out and the electoral college votes Biden in he will simply change his tune and respect the process then or do you think he will fight until the 21st?

Also of note is a headline that Trump asked for military options vs Iran last week.  Veracity of the claims aside...how would that make you feel if it were true?

Doesn't make me feel anything. He likely wanted to know what the US military options/plans against a belligerent Iran were before he announces complete withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, given the strategic nature of those two border states in context to Iran. That would be something important to know before you permanently take that option away from your generals forever. 

[Negatory]

It is interesting how normalized it seems for a president to hypothetically impose unilateral military action. Wasn’t this sort of thing designed to go through Congress?

I blame Bush and Obama.

[drewpey]

5 hours ago, FLEA said:

Doesn't make me feel anything. He likely wanted to know what the US military options/plans against a belligerent Iran were before he announces complete withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, given the strategic nature of those two border states in context to Iran. That would be something important to know before you permanently take that option away from your generals forever. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-iran-strike-nuclear-site-attack-b1723987.html

Here is the article. It would seem that if true it isn't really associated with Afghanistan at all, but retaliatory for not adhering to the Obama era program he threw away and didn't replace.

I get that "obama bad" and all, but hypothetically speaking...wouldnt a shitty agreement that minimizes their nuclear stockhold be better than no agreement which removes those restrictions and opens to door for more conflict. I was hoping he and or his Sec state would have come up with something better since he is a self reported deal master.

[drewpey]

16 minutes ago, Negatory said:

It is interesting how normalized it seems for a president to hypothetically impose unilateral military action. Wasn’t this sort of thing designed to go through Congress?

I blame Bush and Obama.

Repeal the AUMF. Sitting on the Senate's stack of bills awaiting the turtle guy.

[Homestar]

10 hours ago, drewpey said:

until the 21st?

Cough....the 20th. At noon. After that he becomes a trespasser in the WH. 
 

 #NotOneExtraDay

[FLEA]

49 minutes ago, drewpey said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-iran-strike-nuclear-site-attack-b1723987.html

Here is the article. It would seem that if true it isn't really associated with Afghanistan at all, but retaliatory for not adhering to the Obama era program he threw away and didn't replace.

I get that "obama bad" and all, but hypothetically speaking...wouldnt a shitty agreement that minimizes their nuclear stockhold be better than no agreement which removes those restrictions and opens to door for more conflict. I was hoping he and or his Sec state would have come up with something better since he is a self reported deal master.

So to be honest I don't support the CVID strategy. However, one major concern with anything short of CVID is NPT strength. Once you start allowing states like Iran and North Korea to possess nuclear weapons the NPT is effectively meaningless and compliance is no longer required by anyone. That is a risky road to step down and we already started it with Pakistan/India. Tolerating North Korea and Iran, which are likely the next two steps, will likely mean a collapse of the NPT and the rapid acquisition of nuclear arms by several other states we would prefer to not have them. 

The US is not alone in this endeavor. Russia, France, Great Britain and China all have interest in preventing anymore nuclear powers. There is a very legitimate and real fear that once some of these smaller states with high corruption, low security, begin obtaining nuclear arms, the probably of a nuclear incident increases dramatically. 

 

 

Edit:  This is a good video where former secretary Perry describes the nature of nuclear strategy in the four hot spots of the world. Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by FLEA

[FLEA]

So reading that article.... whoever leaked that needs fired and needs to go to prison. Like, yes, I understand, its concerning for the public. However, you effectively leaked plans of a US military option on an adversary state to that state. The POTUS (this one or next) no longer has that military option now, as Iran will likely enact countermeasures. 

This was terribly fucking irresponsible. So now, when Biden walks back to the negotiation table to reenter the agreement, he is forced to start at a weaker negotiation position than previous because the amount of options we had under our BATNA is effectively reduced. 

This is fricken ridiculous. You cannot just leak shit because you don't like the policy. This irreversibly damages our national instruments of power. 

[ThreeHoler]

You do realize that some of these leaks are a form of power? Not saying that happened here but...

Authorized leak: “US considering air strike...”

Bad guy land: “Oh shit! Let’s not do X COA...”


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[FLEA]

5 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

You do realize that some of these leaks are a form of power? Not saying that happened here but...

Authorized leak: “US considering air strike...”

Bad guy land: “Oh shit! Let’s not do X COA...”


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Yeah I get that. But it didn't come off like that.

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, Mark1 said:

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to present this specific story in a long line of similarly themed things you've pointed towards over the last few weeks.  Feigning offense at the fact that I 'assumed' something because it wasn't explicitly contained within a paticular post won't get you anywhere with me.

It's time to face reality.  They said it couldn't be done, but George Soros and the New World Order organized the most complex conspiracy in the history of the world, infiltrated Dominion, and unleashed cutting edge CIA technology called Hammer and Scorecoard to surrupticiously steal the election without leaving a trace.  An entity capable of pulling that off isn't going to have left enough untied loose ends (like 2600 uncounted ballots in 30+ counties) lying around to make a difference.  It's over.  They won this battle.  Gotta reconstitute for the next one so you can win the war.

And not only did they orchestrate such a complex conspiracy...they covered it up by losing seats in the House and failing to capture a majority in the Senate.

Really masterful...someone with less experience would have used that voter fraud to tip the legislature in their direction as well, but Soros is a real mastermind...

Blanket /s for anyone who even remotely believes this tinfoil hat nonsense.  Trump lost...pack it in, try again in 2024.  I'm no fan of Biden, but this shit is just getting embarassing.

[17D_guy]

13 hours ago, Mark1 said:

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to present this specific story in a long line of similarly themed things you've pointed towards over the last few weeks.  Feigning offense at the fact that I 'assumed' something because it wasn't explicitly contained within a paticular post won't get you anywhere with me.

It's time to face reality.  They said it couldn't be done, but George Soros and the New World Order organized the most complex conspiracy in the history of the world, infiltrated Dominion, and unleashed cutting edge CIA technology called Hammer and Scorecoard to surrupticiously steal the election without leaving a trace.  An entity capable of pulling that off isn't going to have left enough untied loose ends (like 2600 uncounted ballots in 30+ counties) lying around to make a difference.  It's over.  They won this battle.  Gotta reconstitute for the next one so you can win the war.

Well, it has been about 13 hours without a response.  Be prepared for Guardian's Magnum Opus. 

I'm sure @Sim is getting a BitChute video ready that supports all his positions.

[Guardian]

Nah. Already wrote and deleted it. No point.

[Blue]

17 hours ago, drewpey said:

I get that there is a legal road the Trump party is going to pursue, but ultimately we've seen a number of these avenues slowly dry up.  A quick daily scan of POTUS twitter doesn't seem to paint a realistic grasp of his situation, and his resolve seems to strengthen each day and his vocabulary grows more desperate as he paints himself the victim of a grand conspiracy and the real winner.  Do you trump supporters think that, hypothetically if his legal avenues don't pan out and the electoral college votes Biden in he will simply change his tune and respect the process then or do you think he will fight until the 21st?

Putting out a lot of smoke, noise, and bombast via Twitter, and then subsequently walking it back is kinda Trump 101.

Early on, it did seem like there were a lot of legitimate questions about the election.  Indeed, most of those have not stood up to any level of scrutiny.  I anticipate Trump and his team will continue to push back until the Electoral College formally casts their ballots on 14 Dec.  There is some precedent after all; Bush v Gore wasn't decided until 12 Dec.

Assuming there isn't some kind of last minute "Hollywood-style reveal" of damning evidence in the next four weeks, I assume Trump and his team will start executing a more or less orderly exit after the Electoral College casts their vote.  I'm sure there will be all kinds of media speculation about Trump refusing to leave, which will all turn out to be false.  As much as Trump gets vilified, I sincerely doubt he'll barricade himself inside the Oval Office as some seem to think.

I would have liked to see someone in power use this moment to advocate for a more confidence-inspiring federal election process.  Would have loved to see Joe Biden stand up the morning of 4 November and state his full support for Trump utilizing all legal means to verify a fair election.  Alas, that didn't happen.

We have such a vast array of technology and wealth at our disposal, and yet we continue to look like a banana republic when the elections end up being close.  Would love to see something change.  Instead though, the memories of the 2020 election will start to fade, and we'll do it all over again another 4/8/12 years down the road.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Blue
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[N730]

He said I said all 2600 votes went to trump. I did not. = misquote

But you did. It doesn't have to be explicit.

By saying that the 2600 was 20% of the difference between Biden and Trump and that 4 other counties like this could flip the state, you're saying all those votes were for Trump. Othwise, it takes a lot more than 4 additional counties for the state to flip.

So you either believed/wanted people to read it as the 2600 were all for Trump, or you're just REALLY bad at math and critical thinking. Honestly, I'm not sure which it is at this point.

It's ok if you initially read it as they found 2600 Trump votes, but don't act offended when someone corrects you.

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[Guardian]

Ok man. You win. You tell me what I said without saying it to win your perceived argument. Your truth = whatever you want to say and make the truth.

[N730]

Ok man. You win. You tell me what I said without saying it to win your perceived argument. Your truth = whatever you want to say and make the truth.

I'm just trying to explain how your statement read. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt in my first response saying I didn't believe you were trying to be misleading. But I guess I was wrong there. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it was misleading.

If you did understand what the data said, then you knew your 20% and 4 states numbers were way off. Which means you were purposely misrepresenting it to push your narrative, which is much more disappointing for a guy that always pushes "facts and evidence".

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[Guardian]

Got it. You read it and understood it to mean something I didn’t mean or say. Wasn’t pushing a narrative other than math and red flags and seeing what everyone thought about the article. But like I said, whatever man, thanks but no thanks for your benefit of the doubt.

[N730]

Got it. You read it and understood it to mean something I didn’t mean or say. Wasn’t pushing a narrative other than math and red flags and seeing what everyone thought about the article. But like I said, whatever man, thanks but no thanks for your benefit of the doubt.

So you're just bad at math, got it. Again, like was just shown in another comment. The only way your math makes sense is if 100% of the votes go to Trump.

Guardian. Here’s your logic:
1) 2600 votes were just found in one county
2) GA is split by 14k votes
3) 4 more similarly sized counties could turn GA (5 total)
Lets do the math.
2600 x 5 = 13,000 total potential votes
You need 14,000, so to determine the percentage that would need to be for Trump:
14,000/13,000 = 1.077
So, I guess by the logic of only reading literally exactly what you said, you would just need 107.7% of all the votes in 5 equally sized counties to be found and to go to Trump.
Can we call that accurate?

Come on man, don't read into his logic. If he didn't explicitly type the words, he didn't say it. He's just using math. Any conclusions you come to in order for his math to make a lick of sense is your problem.

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[slackline]

Guardian. Here’s your logic:
1) 2600 votes were just found in one county
2) GA is split by 14k votes
3) 4 more similarly sized counties could turn GA (5 total)
Lets do the math.
2600 x 5 = 13,000 total potential votes
You need 14,000, so to determine the percentage that would need to be for Trump:
14,000/13,000 = 1.077
So, I guess by the logic of only reading literally exactly what you said, you would just need 107.7% of all the votes in 5 equally sized counties to be found and to go to Trump.
Can we call that accurate?

Relax, this is his game. You're just playing into his hands. I did for way too long. Not worth the time, I'm just trying to save yours. He'll continue to post stuff without explicitly saying what he really means, then attack you with all the immaturity he'll later accuse you of. Go back and look at his stuff. From time to time he says something intelligent, then attacks like a kid again.


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[busdriver]

Did you guys know chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay?

An inter-dimensional alien told me.

[17D_guy]

11 minutes ago, busdriver said:

An inter-dimensional alien told me.

Was that alien @Seadogs down-voting every comment that isn't @Guardian or @Sim?

[Guardian]

Relax, this is his game. You're just playing into his hands. I did for way too long. Not worth the time, I'm just trying to save yours. He'll continue to post stuff without explicitly saying what he really means, then attack you with all the immaturity he'll later accuse you of. Go back and look at his stuff. From time to time he says something intelligent, then attacks like a kid again.


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Not really SLACK. They are using facts and details to try and refute what they understood me to say. You just get emotional, call people names or put them down, say NUH UH, and go grab a victory mamosa.

Cheers Lt!

[Blue]

For those keeping score at home, the Epoch Times has a decent summary.

They have a right-leaning bias for sure, but they also have done a decent job of keeping up with the status of the various lawsuits and other legal actions.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-2020