Guest LumberjackAxe Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Transgender Awareness Training. I can't believe we are enacting policy to accommodate people with mental illness. I guess we learned nothing from Bradley/Chelsea Manning. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So that's happening now? I remember when we had the DADT repeal training back in '12, and the general consensus amongst everyone was that no one (at least at the bar afterward) cared if people served openly gay. But if I remember correctly, it was mainly about the admin kind of stuff. Like "Before, you could face punishment for being gay. Now you can't." Is that what this is now? Like "Before, you couldn't enlist/commission if you identified as trans. Now you can." Or is it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguesser Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Transgender Awareness Training. I can't believe we are enacting policy to accommodate people with mental illness. I guess we learned nothing from Bradley/Chelsea Manning. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Bending over backwards to accommodate a tiny percentage of the overall population while doing nothing to address the pilot exodus. Nice work, Big Blue. I'm glad we have our priorities in order. My DOS cannot arrive fast enough... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Transgender policy is under "review" by the Trump admin.. that was as of a month ago not sure there has been updates. I'm glad my CC compressed tranny awareness training into 30 seconds and then proceeded to talk about aircraft safety issues :) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATIS Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, Naviguesser said: Bending over backwards to accommodate a tiny percentage of the overall population while doing nothing to address the pilot exodus. Nice work, Big Blue. I'm glad we have our priorities in order. My DOS cannot arrive fast enough... It's not just Big Blue there shipmate. We are all taking a bite of this sandwich. ATIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, ATIS said: It's not just Big Blue there shipmate. We are all taking a bite of this sandwich. ATIS Wouldn't a transgendered sandwich be a taco? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 That's racistSent from my Vitamix 450x Professional using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguesser Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 51 minutes ago, matmacwc said: Wouldn't a transgendered sandwich be a taco? Depends on the meat... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, LumberjackAxe said: So that's happening now? I remember when we had the DADT repeal training back in '12, and the general consensus amongst everyone was that no one (at least at the bar afterward) cared if people served openly gay. But if I remember correctly, it was mainly about the admin kind of stuff. Like "Before, you could face punishment for being gay. Now you can't." What Eagle Sq was this at? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 What Eagle Sq was this at?All of them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 You guys haven't reviewed the slide show? I particularly liked the scenarios discussing how to handle a member scheduled to deploy who is currently undergoing sexual reassignment therapy. Good God, why would anyone want to be a commander in this Air Force and have to deal with that shit?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: You guys haven't reviewed the slide show? I particularly liked the scenarios discussing how to handle a member scheduled to deploy who is currently undergoing sexual reassignment therapy. Good God, why would anyone want to be a commander in this Air Force and have to deal with that shit? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fuck no I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Wouldn't a transgendered sandwich be a taco?Hotdog on a bun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 So Baba Rand had a "Pilot Retention" Forum or something to that effect the other day. Luckily I couldn't attend, so I'll paraphrase second-hand info. Having worked under his command enough times to know his bullshit, it's probably from accurate accounts. Roughly: none of your complaints are valid because you're not flying over Hanoi losing 11 BUFFs a day. He brushed off anything brought up as a non-issue, and his message was suck it up your life is good. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: So Baba Rand had a "Pilot Retention" Forum or something to that effect the other day. Luckily I couldn't attend, so I'll paraphrase second-hand info. Having worked under his command enough times to know his bullshit, it's probably from accurate accounts. Roughly: none of your complaints are valid because you're not flying over Hanoi losing 11 BUFFs a day. He brushed off anything brought up as a non-issue, and his message was suck it up your life is good. Nice. That jack hole was similarly dismissive to our SOS class. People like him are the reason we have a pilot shortage. F that guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Dawg Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: So Baba Rand had a "Pilot Retention" Forum or something to that effect the other day. Luckily I couldn't attend, so I'll paraphrase second-hand info. Having worked under his command enough times to know his bullshit, it's probably from accurate accounts. Roughly: none of your complaints are valid because you're not flying over Hanoi losing 11 BUFFs a day. He brushed off anything brought up as a non-issue, and his message was suck it up your life is good. Nice. So it's going to take losing 11 BUFFs a day over Pyongyang or Tehran for leadership to actually listen to the concerns of those who most heavily carry the burdens of airpower? UFB... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 He got his... he don't need you! When he retires he can make millions as a board member telling the AF how to unfvck what he fvcked up!Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Rand is goldfien. Finkel is einhorn. Say hello to mr winkie. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 those who most heavily carry the burdens of airpower? UFB...Wait a minute...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Well... it's both good and mildly depressing to see that the one universal across the branches is "leadership" telling everybody to smile while they eat their shit sandwich.Army has the same problem and they are even further from admitting it. There are a few senior guys out there that will honestly tell you the truth of, "the next 5 years will suck... but you'd have to F a goat at a preschool to not get promoted since we are short people, so you have that to bank on." Other than those guys everybody pretends it's still 2007 and that Envoy and other airlines aren't willing to throw money at guys to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Lawman said: "the next 5 years will suck... but you'd have to F a goat at a preschool to not get promoted since we are short people, so you have that to bank on." Unfortunately, as that PhD Capt's paper pointed out, this only applies in the AF if you're on staff when you meet your O-5 IPZ Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Good God, why would anyone want to be a commander in this Air Force and have to deal with that shitI grew up around generals who now long retired ask me why I'm not going hard towards command doing the schools and stuff to get there. I use stories like this to drive it home why being "king turd on shit island" isn't worth it. When I hear their stories of flying 10+ airframes amassing 8,000 hours when they were my age all while having beers at the club by 4pm each day I realize my USAF is nothing like theirs was.I read these airline lifestyle comments and I wonder how bad retention would be if Delta took out an ad in AF Times showing a pilot sitting at his pool with a Porsche in the driveway. I'm amazed retention is as good as it is personally. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war007afa Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: Unfortunately, as that PhD Capt's paper pointed out, this only applies in the AF if you're on staff when you meet your O-5 IPZ Board. Actually, most of the non-promotes I know are/were on staff when the board met... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 11 hours ago, MooseAg03 said: You guys haven't reviewed the slide show? I particularly liked the scenarios discussing how to handle a member scheduled to deploy who is currently undergoing sexual reassignment therapy. Good God, why would anyone want to be a commander in this Air Force and have to deal with that shit? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergman Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 hours ago, di1630 said: I read these airline lifestyle comments and I wonder how bad retention would be if Delta took out an ad in AF Times showing a pilot sitting at his pool with a Porsche in the driveway. I'm amazed retention is as good as it is personally. Haha! This is 100% accurate for me actually, although I did buy the Porsche very used. You forgot the part about "...and only working 13-14 days a month." Shack on your retention and "not the same Air Force" comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Vance is having a FAIP all call with Gen Robinson next week, gonna be interesting to see what he has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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