What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Stoker]

1 hour ago, Weezer said:

As a captain, MacArthur had his first Medal of Honor denied because his boss didn't know what he was doing.

Off topic, but do people really think MacArthur was a great general? He let basically the entire Far East Air Force get destroyed on the ground by the Japanese, ten hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor. He won victories later in the war, sure, but they were victories won with numerical superiority and an overwhelming material advantage.

[Guardian]

Squirrel!


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[Weezer]

37 minutes ago, sforron said:

Off topic, but do people really think MacArthur was a great general? He let basically the entire Far East Air Force get destroyed on the ground by the Japanese, ten hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor. He won victories later in the war, sure, but they were victories won with numerical superiority and an overwhelming material advantage.

10 hours was a pretty short time in those days...might as well have been simultaneous.

My point isn't how great he was, but that the system promoted him despite an earlier "blemish."

[Hacker]

Toro, I don't know how you still manage to give a fuck about this monkeyshit fighting.

[M2]

Admin Note: You may have noticed the removal of 35 off-topic posts in this thread.  Sorry if yours was one of them, but it either was offending or quoted an offending post.

As Toro stated, our instigator has been put in the corner and if/when he returns to the conversation, his comments will be moderated before showing up. 

Sorry for the interruption, please continue on with the (somewhat) productive discussion...

[Guardian]

Wahoo! It wasn't me this time!


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[war007afa]

4 hours ago, Toro said:

All bitches, dudes, bros, FGOs and wiggers go back to your corners.  cantfly is in time out, redirect all bitching towards the AF.

Summation:

[brickhistory]

I learned something today about baseops during the recent shenigans on this thread prior to them being wiped:

You can only give four (4) feedbacks on any one (1) day.

I was going to town on the buffoonery of the NSA expert and got the notification.

Thanks, baseops!

[matmacwc]

Censorship!!!  Commie bastards.  My popcorn GIF was epic.

[Day Man]

4 hours ago, M2 said:

Admin Note: You may have noticed the removal of 35 off-topic posts in this thread.  Sorry if yours was one of them, but it either was offending or quoted an offending post.

As Toro stated, our instigator has been put in the corner and if/when he returns to the conversation, his comments will be moderated before showing up. 

Sorry for the interruption, please continue on with the (somewhat) productive discussion...

I have a very important question: what happens to the fake internet points, because I had like 3 on a post that got deleted...

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[Toro]

13 hours ago, Hacker said:

Toro, I don't know how you still manage to give a fuck about this monkeyshit fighting.

Much more of a passive observer these days, but said offender aggravated enough people to get the thread reported to all the mods.

[BFM this]

1 hour ago, Toro said:

Much more of a passive observer these days, but said offender aggravated enough people to get the thread reported to all the mods.

Go big or go home...?

[Guest nsplayr]

1 hour ago, BFM this said:

Go big or go home...?

Looks like he choose both!

[M2]

On 5/4/2017 at 7:39 PM, Day Man said:

I have a very important question: what happens to the fake internet points, because I had like 3 on a post that got deleted...

I will kindly reinstate the three points you lost back to your total, plus ten more for your trouble! 

[schokie]

I hate being late to the party. I obviously missed something exciting, but now it's all gone and I'll never know. That's what I get for not checking this thread more often. 

[panchbarnes]

1 hour ago, schokie said:

I hate being late to the party. I obviously missed something exciting, but now it's all gone and I'll never know. That's what I get for not checking this thread more often. 

 

it was a classified pissing contest and you don't have the need to know...

[FUSEPLUG]

40 minutes ago, panchbarnes said:

 

it was a classified pissing contest and you don't have the need to know...

...unless you work fort the NSA.  Then you can "go to the vault, dude."

 

[HU&W]

4 hours ago, schokie said:

I hate being late to the party. I obviously missed something exciting, but now it's all gone and I'll never know. That's what I get for not checking this thread more often. 

You didn't miss anything.  Just another scoobs.

[panchbarnes]

What wrong with the Air Force?  We don't focus on readiness and warfighting anymore, mainly because we are not trained or educated enough for them.  Air power projection is our core mission, and we've lost sight of that.  Army and Marines will project ground power, Navy projects naval power, at the end of the day we have to present air power to the combatant commanders or we are all out of a job (not denigrating cyber, space, JTAC, TACP).  Let's train/educate all airmen by sending all qualified Os and Es after commissioning and BMT through some kind of basic military flight training for 3-6 months (Nav, LM, FE).  Non-flight physical folks get sent to ground ops training (airfield mgmt, amxs, intel, and etc...).  Yes they won't be CMR, but they will have the fundamentals and understanding of what it takes to launch a sortie.  With the rated and amxs shortage, they can *potentially* fill-in when the balloons goes up, more importantly this will educate why the Air Force exists and why not all AFSCs are created equal.  Instead of focusing on bake sales and party planning, let's focus on readiness and the air power projection business.  Soldiers and Marines all go through infantry training regardless of MOS, the sailors get trained on sea duty operations (firefighting, navigating and etc...).  All airmen should have a basic understanding of how to support air operations regardless of AFSCs.  The acquisitions community comes close by sending some of their officers through non-rated ops exchange programs.  The 63As return back after one ops tour with a better understanding and appreciation of operational air force, as well as street cred when making decisions of a MWS acquisitions program.

Yes sex assaults are bad, lookout for each other so we don't kill ourselves (on purpose or by accident), sleep with whichever sex you want behind closed (SCIF?) doors, build a home for the poor after work if you want to, those topics are not the reasons why the taxpayers are paying for our salary.  We need to get back to combat readiness and the warfighting business.

[Guest LumberjackAxe]

Here's my take on what's wrong with the Air Force. It isn't specifically the situations below (well, maybe the one about leave) but it's the Air Force's mentality/strategy that leads to the situations below.

• DTS and LeaveWeb, by default, don't work on Air Force computers. The official way to conduct business is technically impossible without hacking your Air Force computer.
• AMC recently mandated that all assets carry a gun on non-Combat missions (feel free to correct me here--I've been out of AMC for almost two years now and I've drank a lot since then). But some assets, such as the KC-10, don't have a lock box onboard. That forces aircrew to "break the law" and either leave the gun in the KC-10's super secret compartment (it's not secret nor is it locked) or bring it to the hotel room. Essentially, AMC's order is forcing aircrew into a situation where they have to violate the very same order.
• Absurd "cover your ass" policies. I returned from a KC-10 deployment on Dec 24th, and was denied leave because we couldn't have more than 10% of any one crew position on leave at the same time, and there were presidential alert lines (they were all scheduled and filled). Why was I denied leave? "Just in case." <-- no shit quote from my DO. So I was on my post-deployment crew rest, untouchable and timed out, yet I had to sit at home just in case I had to fly a nonexistent mission which I would've been ineligible to fly.
• The good idea fairy leads to more CBTs, and the more CBTs we have, the less they mean.
• The best pilots in the eyes of the Air Force are rarely the best pilots when it comes to the aircraft and mission. To me (and I suspect most people on this forum) the reward structure isn't about getting promoted, it's about avoiding non-vols to RPAs. And the fast-burning, holiday-party-planning, spouse-of-the-month, powerpoint-warrior pilots are the favorites in the eyes of the Air Force, and as such are insulated from RPA threats, yet that typically has nothing to do with the Air Force's core mission of blowing shit up and killing bad guys.

See the general trend?

The Air Force says, "You have to do this, but we're going to make it impossible to do it."

We're going to blow shit up and kill bad guys, but we're going to make it impossible to do it.

We're going to win the war against ISIS, but we're going to make it impossible to do it.

We're going to have the most lethal aircrew on the planet, but we're going to make it impossible to do it.

It's a modern Catch-22. Anyone who hasn't read the book needs to, because the insanity that happens in that fictional squadron is still happening today. And that's why, I suspect, everyone is leaving, and it doesn't have to do with the money. It's the ass-backwards philosophy the Air Force has adopted, where nothing makes sense and contradictions abound (like listed above), and I'm just kind of tired of working for a company that does this to its people.

And also the airlines don't have non-vols to Creech, I can live where I want, no deployments, I get paid three times as much, no PT tests, and a whole lot less BS.

Edited May 9, 2017 by LumberjackAxe

[HU&W]

24 minutes ago, LumberjackAxe said:

And the fast-burning, holiday-party-planning, spouse-of-the-month, powerpoint-warrior pilots are the favorites in the eyes of the Air Force, and as such are insulated from RPA threats, yet that typically has nothing to do with the Air Force's core mission of blowing shit up and killing bad guys.

Highlighted for irony.  MQ9 guys spend more of their time doing the "Air Force's core mission of blowing shit up and killing bad guys" than almost any other platform.

[matmacwc]

Lumber and Panch grabbed it straight in the Petunia.  Preach on.

Edited May 9, 2017 by matmacwc

[NKAWTG]

2 hours ago, LumberjackAxe said:

Absurd "cover your ass" policies. I returned from a KC-10 deployment on Dec 24th, and was denied leave because we couldn't have more than 10% of any one crew position on leave at the same time, and there were presidential alert lines (they were all scheduled and filled). Why was I denied leave? "Just in case." <-- no shit quote from my DO. So I was on my post-deployment crew rest, untouchable and timed out, yet I had to sit at home just in case I had to fly a nonexistent mission which I would've been ineligible to fly.

 

That 10% is usually a Sq set policy.  It should be well within the DO's ability to approve above that for Christmas, and just put people on local leave on notice that when the sh*t hits the fan, you will get recalled.  Or make the wing exec fly. Either one can work, and more likely than not, people will get their leave.

[Guest nsplayr]

8 hours ago, HU&W said:

Highlighted for irony.  MQ9 guys spend more of their time doing the "Air Force's core mission of blowing shit up and killing bad guys" than almost any other platform.

Pretty sure he meant the party planning and ball washing, not the RPA flying, had nothing to do with the AF's core mission.