TLAR Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 But the so-called “Distributed Aperture System” doesn’t work. “The DAS has displayed a high false alarm rate for missile detections during ownship and formation flare testing,” the testing report reveals. Basically, the system cannot tell the difference between an enemy missile and one of the F-35’s own hot flares. So let me get this straight, if your wingman breaks off and pops flares due to an incoming missile, it's a bad thing if your system starts kicking them out as well? Sounds like a feature to me. Imagine the feedback loop that could result. An F-35’s DAS detects an incoming missile and pops flares. DAS then mistakes those flares for another missile and pops more flares, then still more flares to spoof them. So on and so on until the F-35 runs out of countermeasures … and is defenseless. Even funnier when you're in a stack of 12 aircraft and that helo at coord starts the chain. But seriously...why are these F-35 specific problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorn15 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 They're not. The Eagle has auto CMD settings too. No one uses it because it would waste all your chaff/flare, sounds like the F-35 will be the same. Once again, overly complex and expensive systems designed by engineers who do not understand air combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanee Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 How is it that multiple fighter MWS' have this issue but it's not an issue in heavies (specifically 130's)? We def never experience this issue... You guys carry a shit ton more flares than we do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasty Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) How is it that multiple fighter MWS' have this issue but it's not an issue in heavies (specifically 130's)? We def never experience this issue... Easy boys, this is teetering on OPSEC. Don't talk about what our CMDS can or can't do here. Edited January 31, 2014 by Toasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You guys carry a shit ton more flares than we do? I was trying to get more at the "why" not the "how", but no need to go further down this path Easy boys, this is teetering on OPSEC. Don't talk about what our CMDS can or can't do here. Good point Toasty, and my bad guys...sry for the derail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForgotPassword Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hostage in AFTimes: -JSF is not an air superiority fighter -JSF is irrelevant without F-22 -A-10 is useless in the future and there's no way to save it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 60 minutes is doing a report on the F-35 tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnkr Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 60 minutes is doing a report on the F-35 tonight. Saw it. Bottom line: the acquisition process failed, but we're gonna buy this jet no matter what. Kinda defeats the purpose of talking tough to Lockheed. "Fix this shit or else." "Or else what?" "Well, nothing really. But we'll talk bad about you on a tv show only old people watch. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 60 minutes is doing a report on the F-35 tonight. For those who missed it:http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/is-the-f-35-worth-it/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 For those who missed it:http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/is-the-f-35-worth-it/ Thanks for the post - just watched it. Nothing new learned but interesting none the less, doesn't change my opinion (worth approx. $0.02) that it is too expensive, too many compromises and too far gone to completely stop. Even all that said, if we just stop the bleeding at some point, i.e. buy only 700 or so and learn a lesson to give up when you are 7 years behind schedule and 160+ billion over-budget, perhaps it won't pull AF, Navy, and USMC down the drain but I'm an optimist. Buy enough so that when inevitable shit storm comes up when the program is curtailed, whatever hapless leader (mil or civ) who is forced to go on 60 Minutes to explain what things didn't go as planned has some small amount of maneuvering room by being able to say we achieved some of our objectives, just not all and it just cost too much. Somebody put the screws to the F-22 and we only bought 187 of planned 650 buy, somebody can do the same thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) too many compromises This is the heart of the problem with the JSF. It's not really a Joint Strike Fighter anymore, it's supposed to be a Joint Everything Fighter. The logic that we only have enough money to develop one fighter amongst the services breaks down when you're asking a company to build a machine so complex that it meets the requirements across every service for completely different modes of operation. I would wager that had they had separate developments for a 85% common AF/Navy variant and separate Marine variant, it would have cost less for two aircraft programs than for one JSF program. Edited February 18, 2014 by SurelySerious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB Stacker Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would wager that had they had separate developments for a 85% common AF/Navy variant and separate Marine variant, it would have cost less for two aircraft programs than for one JSF program. You're right, but the budget realities of the early '90s/post Cold War drawdown meant that the Marines wouldn't have gotten a fighter in that scenario. ASTOVL/SSF/CALF was a non-starter as a standalone program, but there was no way in hell the Marines weren't getting a Harrier replacement (too many friends on Capitol Hill). Thus the JSF program was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milchstrasse Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hey guys, looks like the hiccups in the F-35 program were so bad that Hill is transitioning back to F-16s: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/hill-to-begin-transition-from-f-35-to-f-16/ You'd think they'd get their headline right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Latest from AF Times - More delays & $$$ http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140326/NEWS05/303260057/Further-delays-predicted-F-35-program My personal fav quotes - Software development is, as Bogdan put it, “really hard stuff,” and will force new delays. Still, Bogdan said the program more recently — meaning under his watch — has made “slow and steady progress...Bogdan admitted mistakes have been made, but pinned much of that blame on his predecessors and the program’s prime contractor, Lockheed Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) One step forward... Australia to Buy 58 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters Maybe two steps back... F-35 Stealth Questions Bring Back B-2 Memories Boeing Builds the Navy an F-35C Exit Strategy Edited April 27, 2014 by Clark Griswold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat Platypus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) F-35 catches fire on runway http://www.nwfdailynews.com/military/top-story/f-35-catches-fire-on-runway-1.336917 Edit, unless I missed an earlier post or if this just expected, can’t believe it took 24 hour to be posted. Edited June 25, 2014 by Combat Platypus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcraftllc Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Interesting take on the situation, the F-22 finally proved its worth in Syria (a little bit anyway), I'll give Lockheed that. What are your thoughts: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-f-35-was-built-to-fight-isis-2014-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvlax40 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Interesting take on the situation, the F-22 finally proved its worth in Syria (a little bit anyway), I'll give Lockheed that. What are your thoughts: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-f-35-was-built-to-fight-isis-2014-10 my thoughts are that the majority of the heavy lifting has been done by the strike eagles, that the f35 would be severely range limited, and that manpads and other ir systems will still be a HUGE threat to a single jet engine that operates close to the edge of its envelope 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 An article written by a grad student with a pilot slot. "Jonathan Miller recently completed an MA Strategic Studies at Aberystwyth Universitys Department of International Politics. Soon embarking on a career in military aviation, his primary interests are airpower strategy, information warfare, air/sea battle doctrine, and the concept of "officership" as a profession." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Russia says the F-35 is Flanker bait... http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/10/12/why_the_f-35_is_a_sitting_duck_for_the_flankers_38959.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvlax40 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Russia says the F-35 is Flanker bait... http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/10/12/why_the_f-35_is_a_sitting_duck_for_the_flankers_38959.html that russian article is interesting when it talks about the F-4 and the gun pod and over reliance on BVR. I also remember during Vietnam the Navy having bad kill ratios till implementing top gun. if memory serves the navy had a kill ratio on the order 13:1 after top gun, where the USAF hovered around 4:1. granted i wasnt alive at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Despite all its problems, it is developing some friends. The US jet fighter that can do it all—maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slander Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I feel like when I first joined the air force 6 years ago we were having the same discussions about the F-22. Now we aren't. Even flown with one at a Red Flag? The bros at Edwards, Nellis, and Eglin will make the F-35 a great airplane. We will develop tactics to exploit its advantages and avoid its weaknesses as best we can. Maybe I'm mainlining koolaid but the US has gone all in on this airplane and I can't imagine we will accept a POS. In 3 or 4 years, I'm confident we'll have an impressive jet starting to show up in reasonable numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Shack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Good news if you've got some shares in Lockheed: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-lockheed-pentagon-reach-4-billion-deal-more-220002916--finance.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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