Guest bugmn20 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) This almost started out in the security forces thread... Earlier in the week at work we got an email saying the cops were going through the parking lot and ticketing anybody's car that was unlocked (plenty of folks drive beater used cars and don't bother to lock them). By the time most folks got out to their cars to lock them up, they already had tickets. I would have figured it was just standard skycop lack-of-anything-better-to-do-itis, but it turns out they were directed. Well we had a WG/CC change of command ceremony last week and it turns out the new WG/CC directed the cops to do this. So for pretty much his first public action, a bunch of folks get tickets. How do guys like this make it that far? Edited June 20, 2009 by bugmn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuck Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I always liked the feeling that I didn't necessarily have to lock my car on base, (Air Force family and all...) oh well. This is just one more way to erode the trust we're supposed to have in our superiors. Blah. - Stuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It's a law that your POV has to be locked now? WTF??!!???! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It's a law that your POV has to be locked now? WTF??!!???! 2. Is there a federal, state, or local law or base regulation that requires a POV to be locked, i.e., all members parking must secure their vehicles when not occupied while on Snuffy AFB? If not, while it would take some balls to fight it, those so screwed could. Drop a dime to AF IG, the numbered AF/CC, the local congressman, or the local/biggest liberal newspaper/TV station in the area. Or a blitzkreig of all them simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I know that in Germany it's illegal to leave your car unlocked or the windows rolled down. (been studying for my drivers test) Here at my base in the good ol U-S of A, I usually leave my windows cracked...nothing to steal in it, and if my car gets stolen on base...wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It gets to be 115F during the top of the summer at my base. Its an unwritten rule that if you drive a beater (like me), then you are cleared hot to leave both windows full down. The constant film of desert dust in the summer is worth not sitting in a car that could top 140 if the windows have been rolled up for some time. What the hell happened to common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) I always liked the feeling that I didn't necessarily have to lock my car on base, (Air Force family and all...) oh well. This is just one more way to erode the trust we're supposed to have in our superiors. Blah. - Stuck Where in the hell did you get the feeling that and AFB was safe. The only place my boat ever had 40 gallons of gas stolen from it was in the middle of the secure base RV storage lot for "Air Force Families". Edited June 21, 2009 by Butters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old crow Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 What if I leave the top down on my convertible, but lock the doors? Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I guess if I take the doors off the Jeep, they can't complain that they aren't locked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 What if I leave the top down on my convertible, but lock the doors? Does that count? just make sure the windows are rolled up! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Where in the hell did you get the feeling that and AFB was safe. The only place my boat ever had 40 gallons of gas stolen from it was in the middle of the secure base RV storage lot for "Air Force Families". Exact same damn thing happened to me at Barksdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I guess if I take the doors off the Jeep, they can't complain that they aren't locked... I'd like to see 'em prove it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandal Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I'd like to see 'em prove it... They will make him tie a rope across the gap where the door used to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 They will make him tie a rope across the gap where the door used to be... But it has to have a tricky knot, otherwise it doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I guess if I take the doors off the Jeep, they can't complain that they aren't locked... Same here, but the doors are locked...in the garage! The windows are rolled down though! So, fess up, what base is this bullshit happening at? Cheers! M2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 But it has to have a tricky knot, otherwise it doesn't count. Fine...I'll now use something other than a slipknot... Same here, but the doors are locked...in the garage! The windows are rolled down though! So, fess up, what base is this bullshit happening at? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugmn20 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 So, fess up, what base is this bullshit happening at? I don't know that I should say, but here's a neat article in the local paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I don't know that I should say, but here's a neat article in the local paper. WTF, is Doc back? Combat Car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I don't know that I should say, but here's a neat article in the local paper. I know that in Germany it's illegal to leave your car unlocked or the windows rolled down. (been studying for my drivers test) Hey I was right in my non-guessing statement! Wow...can't wait for my first door/window ticket when I get over there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Rebirth of Doc...awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEWingsMN Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 so, basically, the base now complies with the law that exists in the country that the base is in.... dunno if that's as big of a deal as if that weren't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 so, basically, the base now complies with the law that exists in the country that the base is in.... dunno if that's as big of a deal as if that weren't the case. Sort of. The USAFE and U'R reg require windows to be up and the doors locked. There are multiple things in that reg that are "German" reqmt's. Leaving you car idling is against the law, car seat requirements that are different than the states, etc. This is not much unlike bases in whatever state enforcing laws that are specific to that state. For example, the DUI laws are set on base according to the local DUI standard. There are few exceptions such as selling alcohol on Sunday in states that don't allow that. However, many of those fall back to a justification based upon what kind of jurisdiction the base falls under. 12. VEHICLE SECURITY - AE Pam 190-34/USAFE Pam 31-206 ● 15 Feb 06 a. The driver must ensure parked vehicles have closed windows and doors, and that the doors, ignition, and steering wheel (if equipped with a lock) are locked. b. Failure to secure a POV according to subparagraph a above is illegal. Insurance companies may not honor a claim if the vehicle was unlocked when it was stolen. c. If personal property is stored in the vehicle, the items should be locked in the trunk. Either way, not at the top of my list of things to start enforcing. This falls under personal accountability and if you fail to lock your car, it is stolen and insurance fails to pay, then that's a personal problem. As a side note, everytime I decided to leave my windows cracked or the sunroof open to vent the heat, it seemed like there was an afternoon thunderstorm. I wasn't always prepped to scramble to get it shut so the car didn't get drenched. It only took once to figure out to keep the thing shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Either way, not at the top of my list of things to start enforcing. This falls under personal accountability and if you fail to lock your car, it is stolen and insurance fails to pay, then that's a personal problem. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I dunno......Elliott just left as our OG, and he just doesn't seem like the type of dude to do that. Who knows though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 nsurance companies may not honor a claim if the vehicle was unlocked when it was stolen. And how exactly would the insurance company prove your doors were unlocked when the car was stolen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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