FourFans Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Dusting off an old threat to highlight some journalism excellence. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/06/25/massive-overhaul-to-keep-air-force-c-130-flying-for-80-years-into-2030s.html My favorite: Quote As a propeller-driven aircraft, the C-130s are able to fly at low altitudes, land in more rugged conditions and withstand harsh weather such as obscurants. The propellers make the aircraft’s engines less susceptible to debris flying in and causing operational problems for the engines. An Air Force C-17, by contrast, needs to operate in more defined conditions, such as areas with longer, separated or unobstructed runways. Flying debris or uneven terrain could of course present complications for C-17 engines, whereas the C-130 is specifically designed for low-altitude, high risk combat zones with uneven terrain – scenarios requiring both durability and maneuverability. In fact, in so-called “hot” or active combat zones, C-130s often airdrop weapons, supplies and even troops when called upon by Commanders. Apparently C-17 engines are vulnerable to flying debris and uneven terrain, which highlights why C-130's are good at low level and propellers are somehow good at FOD reduction. Someone get that guy a Pulitzer. Outstanding journalism aside. It's good to see the H's get a solid upgrade. Edited June 26, 2018 by FourFans130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie90 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 #fakenews No one can make fun of C-17s! On another note, the last Boeing AMP was sent to the boneyard in January... https://www.dvidshub.net/video/580116/189th-aw-c-130-amp-arrival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, genie90 said: On another note, the last Boeing AMP was sent to the boneyard in January... https://www.dvidshub.net/video/580116/189th-aw-c-130-amp-arrival Anyone know why 2 & 4 were shut-down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polcat Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Well, it IS a herk, although the norm is one shutdown. But two is something. The AMP birds didn't fly for quite some time at LRF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie90 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, M2 said: Anyone know why 2 & 4 were shut-down? #4 fire, #2 throttle stuck at 12k in/lbs. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus15 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 They'll never make the NexGen deadline. Gonna be an interesting standoff considering "no waivers" is the phrase of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polcat Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 1:58 PM, genie90 said: #4 fire, #2 throttle stuck at 12k in/lbs. Damn! Was is a binding of the #2 throttle, i.e. jammed or unresponsive engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Maybe? https://www.executivegov.com/2018/10/air-force-navy-officials-push-for-c-130-aircraft-operating-capability-modernization/ https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS28/20180928/108703/HHRG-115-AS28-Wstate-HarrisJ-20180928.pdf The FAA’s deadline for compliance is January 1, 2020; the C-130H fleet will meet the deadline via the C-130H Avionics Modernization Program (AMP) Increment 1, and the C-130J will be compliant via the 4 accelerated Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-B) out program. Third, both the legacy C-130H and the C-130J fleets require avionics, communications and electrical upgrades to maintain their warfighting capability and improve maintainability and reliability ;these upgrades are in addition to the aforementioned compliance driven upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Why don’t units just buy the J? Eventually Lockheed is going to refuse to support MX for the H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloyd christmas Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, dream big said: Why don’t units just buy the J? Eventually Lockheed is going to refuse to support MX for the H. We don't have enough in squadron funds here in the Texas ANG to buy new J's. We are trying to sell some heritage patches to make up the difference but that is taking longer than we expected. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 We don't have enough in squadron funds here in the Texas ANG to buy new J's. We are trying to sell some heritage patches to make up the difference but that is taking longer than we expected. You need to sell incentive rides to aviation enthusiasts and to lonely old women. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 7 hours ago, dream big said: Why don’t units just buy the J? Eventually Lockheed is going to refuse to support MX for the H. Because all the 12Ms won't have jobs anymore. There's a lot of legacy herk navs in pilot training due to their units transitioning to something that doesn't need a nav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADFNZ Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 4 hours ago, LookieRookie said: Because all the 12Ms won't have jobs anymore. There's a lot of legacy herk navs in pilot training due to their units transitioning to something that doesn't need a nav. We're keeping legacies around so navs can keep a job? What will State Farm do without their steady flow of new salesmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 6 hours ago, BADFNZ said: We're keeping legacies around so navs can keep a job? What will State Farm do without their steady flow of new salesmen? The military is the biggest jobs program we've got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 hours ago, BADFNZ said: We're keeping legacies around so navs can keep a job? What will State Farm do without their steady flow of new salesmen? I don't think AMC realizes that getting rid of 12Ms will eventually result in a massive shortage of rated dudes on staff. There are a lot of 12Ms working staff, AMLO, CRG, etc right now. But they can't stay in those jobs forever. Good thing we have plenty of MAF pilots to flow into staff billets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDALPHA Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Right Seat Driver said: I don't think AMC realizes that getting rid of 12Ms will eventually result in a massive shortage of rated dudes on staff. There are a lot of 12Ms working staff, AMLO, CRG, etc right now. But they can't stay in those jobs forever. What percentage of nav’s took the bonus? Oh yeah.... Maybe not FOREVER but have fun sitting sideways pushing paper to 22 YOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItnStln Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 3:07 AM, dream big said: Why don’t units just buy the J? Eventually Lockheed is going to refuse to support MX for the H. Are the Hs only in the Guard and Reserve or are there active units with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItnStln Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 6:16 AM, lloyd christmas said: We don't have enough in squadron funds here in the Texas ANG to buy new J's. We are trying to sell some heritage patches to make up the difference but that is taking longer than we expected. If they’re sold online and you have a link share it and I’ll buy a few as I’m a collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 10:00 PM, Right Seat Driver said: I don't think AMC realizes that getting rid of 12Ms will eventually result in a massive shortage of rated dudes on staff. There are a lot of 12Ms working staff, AMLO, CRG, etc right now. But they can't stay in those jobs forever. Good thing we have plenty of MAF pilots to flow into staff billets. They can always just make another career field "rated" like they did with ABMs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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