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Honest question. Who gives a shit? If the guard can somehow make fighter pilots without getting the best UPT had to offer (and often some of the... most average), why is crossflow such a concern? Sent from my Vitamix 450x Professional using Tapatalk

Cheetos and War Games in a single thread? You guys finally get us!

Doesn't really matter. Fly a great jet and don't pass up an opportunity to shut up. Encourage your classmates to do the same.

Us airline guys will just have to settle for the "puppet" and "bus driver" pay/schedule versus the T-6 triple-turns your Flt/CC and IP's are doing in the July heat. We all make decisions and we have to be ready to face the consequences. Now, back to boat shopping...

Prior UPT IP, This surprises me, and I have to believe you just have an aggressive flight commander or something. When I spoke to students at UPT I always framed the discussion around keeping doors open, making sure you checked your boxes so long as you found it acceptable while in so that you had the opportunity to stay in and be promotable or get out. That means doing SOS/ACSC, that means getting your ATP, that means playing the volunteer for XYZ crap job for OPR fodder, as well as keeping your records up to date for future applications. Your IP's if they are making statements like this have failed in their role to be leaders / role models. I've had commanders in the past make statements like this, and they are all eating their own words now because they believed the economy would remain stagnant and the that military's gravy train would forever be to coveted to give up for uncertain job prospects outside. Their leadership was based on attempting to frighten their squadrons to shut up color and enjoy their pay check. Fact of the matter is we train pilots, period. Good ones at that (well mostly when we can push back on the all important PFT). That means we produce great Military pilots, that equates to great Airline pilots. Am I going to miss military flying once I hang up my green flight suit for good? Sure. Am I going to regret making a decision that protects my families future and my own sanity? No. Don't sweat these remarks too much, hopefully they are the exception not the rule. If they become the rule then maybe it is time to run as fast as you can. (Though your commitment is 10 years so maybe getting jaded now isn't the best idea =P)

Bro, based off this picture, I don't know anyone that would be considering that movie.

This is not about a dick measuring contest. My beef is that the porch is sending inexperienced wingmen to the Eielson aggressors because they supposedly have no choice. Worse still, these wingmen are coming off only one year in Korea. A remote assignment they went to with the PROMISE of a follow on regular tour. Going to the aggressors essentially freezes their development as fighter pilots. It's not a problem to go as a senior 4FL or an IP, but it is a death blow to a young fighter pilot's development. A terrible breech of trust. So AFPC breaks that promise and sends them to the 18AGRS. Fine...we "have no choice" and have a problem absorbing all the wingmen in the CAF. Needs of the Air Force and all that. Yes sir, service before self...got it. Then, THE VERY SAME WEEK these guys are learning about the breaking of the promise, these wingmen are hearing about this crossflow. I'd be livid. Worse still, if it were me, my mind about staying one day past my commitment would be made up. No fvcking way. How many other young wingmen are watching??? AFPC's justification, btw, is some bullshit about a net gain of fighter pilots via this crossflow. Of course, they're not factoring the 36 CAF wingmen that just watched this happen. YGBSM. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

You think we can handle that in this community?! We're lucky just to get the gear down on the right runway.

The real question is, can he get his own ATIS? Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Ah good. We have a young wingman who is going to go to the 18 AGRS at Eielson after only a year in Korea, so that makes sense. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Whether they leave the USAF at the 11, 15, 20 or 28 year point, 80% of the people saying this will eventually fly for the airlines. Enjoy your time in UPT. If you don't, you only have yourself to blame.

How I think the relevant players want things: NK regime - status quo plus protection money China - status quo SK - status quo with naive engagement USA - status quo and maybe some ransom paid for less belligerence (quietly) Unless the Young General miscalculates whatever provocation or shenanigans he is attempting to pull off the status quo will probably continue absent something coming in from left field Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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We all believed that Welsh was genuine and see how far that got us? Talk's cheap and so far Finger's has provided only talk and some minor change that is not worth mentioning yet. If he makes bigger more meaningful steps all the more credit to him but so far I'm not entertained.

Maybe NK will blackmail SK into capitulating by either surrender or we nuke Seoul. The present SK ruling party is not U.S. friendly. Or threaten SK by asking us to leave the penisula. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using Baseops Network Forums mobile app

As an 08er at EDW, this is exactly what I'm curious about! Lots of solid people here in my year group who almost certainly would have been school selects. Now are we all competing with each other for a couple slots each year? Just wish someone could let us know the rules of the game up front...

Was he one of the dudes that got C-17s out of 38s?

Notifications are starting to go out, friend has been notified he made it. Currently deployed, so I suspect I'll find out around public release.

The AF really has a chance to do right by itself in this midst of this (abrupt) change by clearly articulating to young officers right out the gate, and updates as the progress, the benchmarks that will be required to "on-ramp" and the time milestones associated with them rather than having guys "figure it out" along the way. If I was an '08 guy on the fence, the timing of this change would probably be a tick mark in the A-word column, but I respect CSAF's motives to get this change enacted quickly rather than continuing to admire the problem. All that to say, it's laughable that it's taking at least another week to effectively delete a column of data for a spreadsheet, come up with some talking points on a subject that's been discussed since at least Jan, and release. Great intent from CSAF, typical lackluster bureaucratic execution from the staff.

That's how the AF did it back when Corpus was still open. Very fair imo.

122FS (F-15C) is having a board during October drill (13-15 Oct) by invitation. Please see the LA ANG is hiring thread for details and drill dates for visits. We have openings for experienced as well as UPT hopefuls!

As a Korea RAS and a dude with a Korean wife, I can say this statement is categorically false.

Initial solo in the T-41 at "Casa Grande International" (yeah, way back then...Jan, 1968; Willie's T-41 aux field). Took off, made 9 solo T&G patterns...things of beauty. Turning base for the full stop reached for the flap handle and suddenly recalled I hadn't done that on any of my other patterns. I flew 9 no-flap patterns without noticing and without getting a call from the RSU. IP patted me on the back and said "good job". Nobody had a clue. Needless to say, I sorta forgot to mention it while debriefing.

Going active duty instead of direct to the guard/reserve.

Fingers goldfien doesn't give a crap about the individual or what goes on in the squadron. Unless he's in the squadron. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums