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It has to do with the perpetual emphasis (by the left) on things that don't matter in juxtaposition with things that do. You all look at the price of oil - which is not even close to historic highs - and cry the sky is falling. Meanwhile, we destroyed a 1/3rd of our wealth because of "feels" and it's no big deal to you all. Just pointing at the hypocrisy is all. On the notion of Iran being in a stronger position. We'll just have to agree to disagree. And I'll have to laugh. We just made them our bitch in dramatic fashion. They have no long-term ability to project power. And they will be unable (for years) to be a serious maker / supplier of weapons in the middle east or anywhere else. They cannot be the petro supplier-of-last-resort to China. As much as you think Iran controls the straight of Hormuz, we control it more. And as much as China depends on oil flowing through the straight of Malacca, well, let's just say we're in control of that one too. We're 100% in the driver's seat. That you can't see that speaks to how blinkered your worldview is.
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Not sure what a Biden covid inflation rant has to do with our current war of choice in Iran and its negative consequences, but you do you man. And yes Iran is in a stronger position. Our president told them that when he said their plan was a good basis for negotiations. But dont take my word for it, let’s see how the neocon right is taking the news: Huh weird. Nobody seems to want to talk about it. Must be going swimmingly. FFS Fox News’ top headline the day of the ceasefire announcement was a lady missing in the Bahamas. Anyone done a wellness check on Shapiro and the Adelsons today? 😂😂
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Final SIB message is now in AFSAS.
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And the sky is blue. My point is that you, and others, are doom posting. The price of oil goes up during warfare. This is not a surprise. You can post truisms from where you sit, but they're not making an argument. Yeah there are negative effects from this war. There are also massive positive ones. You have to weigh the margins. "Biden" (his confederacy of dunces) dropped $2T of unnecessary spending on an economy that didn't need it. COVID was largely over by the time that bill hit. But yay, we still pay for it. Total inflation for that boondoggle has been like 30-40%, so in other words, you have about 2/3 of the wealth you had before COVID, thanks in large part due to horrific government policies. Don't get me started on Bitcoin. I hope they do charge tolls for everything in Bitcoin. Joke will be on them. It's going to zero someday. Iran in a stronger geopolitical position? Ha. Did you tell them that?
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You should check out Doomberg. They are paywalled, but there's a recent interview on Thoughtful Money. One of the most detailed energy researchers in the market right now. They are forecasting an oil collapse once the war ends, unless there's a massive attack on middle east infrastructure. The fact that oil hasn't even gotten remotely close to all-time highs, when the worst case scenario of war in the Middle East with the straits being closed, is rather telling.
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My position is that the price of gas is just one of the many crappy side effects from this stupid and counterproductive adventure. It’s also funny that a metric every right winger was obsessed with “I did that” under Biden has now suddenly lost its importance. But to your broader point: If Iran is utterly decimated why is their regime still in place and now charging tolls in bitcoin and or Chinese Yuan to pass through the straight? If they’re decimated why is our own president saying THEIR 10 point plan is a good basis for negotiations? You guys keep saying funny macho shit like BOOM! ROASTED! TOTALLY DECIMATED! GAME, BLOUSES! But at some point we’re gonna have to confront the reality that Iran is in a stronger geopolitical position now than at any point in at least 10 years
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LOL at the libs on this site lamenting the increase in gas prices as if it means literally anything. What's your position? That we can't go to war because the price of a commodity might increase? Mmmmkaaay. And furthermore that somehow the degree of success in the conflict will be measured by the price of said commodity not rising above an arbitrary threshold that is determined by numerous other factors? LOL. Bottom line: we're crushing it in the foreign policy department. Venezuela? Done. Russia? Completely hemmed in. Cuba? Teetering. Iran? Nearly completely decimated - from the air alone. Numerous other terrorist proxies? On their back feet, at best. Is the world fixed? Nope. But it has been made a lot better than it was - by a TV show host - let that sink in and consider what it says about the rest of our political class. You all are upset about words. You need to look at the state of the world.
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Trumps is a liberal NYer who is also a pragmatic manager. Gets what he wants any way he can, but if he doesn’t, he reframes it to not look so bad. I’m hoping he plays hardball with Iran and doesn’t let up until they completely cave. Target every leader and any wanna-be who steps up when the last one is killed. Islam needs to be completely humiliated in Iran and let the Persians have their country back. They were closer to 40-60 back when they were a civilized country. They treated radicals appropriately and smashed the terrorist/extremist when they popped up. We need that kind of Iran again. They’ve been beggin for an ass whopping for years and I’m hoping we finish it adequately. I hate that some innocents are caught up in it, but that happens in every conflict. Regardless of what the leftist spout, we aren’t randomly bombing civilians at will. We would have lost ww2 if the numbnuts complaining now, had been in charge then. We killed >100,00 in one firebombing of Tokyo, and estimates of thousands when we took out Dresden and the factories there. Those are just two examples, with many more available (and don’t forget the 2 nukes). I realize this isn’t ww2, but war sucks and “innocents” are sometimes killed. It’s a factor when we target, but shouldn’t be the only consideration. I’d love for this to end, but not until a completely contained and controllable Iran happens. That might be unrealistic without the world’s support, but i hope we have the resolve.
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If someone posts a slide with direct comparisons of gas prices under Biden and Trump that factually disproves the implied claim and I call it out, somehow that means I'm claiming that Trump is doing 5D chess? Both the spikes and the averages were higher under Biden than Trump. I said nothing defending or advocating Trump or his policies, I simply called out an objectively incorrect argument. I 100% agree that Trump is far from being a conservative, but that's hardly the point of this thread.
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lol one of us is raging and calling people toddlers and it isn’t me. I’ve already listed things trump has done that I like. This war isn’t one of them. I’m perfectly willing to call a spade a spade and say when something is good policy or bad policy no matter who did it. This war is turning out to be very bad policy and it doesn’t matter if it was started by Trump, Biden, Kamala, Mickey Mouse, or Pickle Rick. I’m sure Trump’s ‘we’re gonna exterminate all of you’ rhetoric was uniquely unproductive, but in general I’d be saying the same thing no matter who was in charge. Not one person in here can explain how we’re in a better strategic position wrt Iran today than we were a month and a half ago. Or a year ago. Or when we had the JCPOA. Iran has more influence, leverage, and credibility right now than at any point I can remember.
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You're not missing them, you're choosing to ignore them. Nothing about the 800 US service members Iran has directly been involved in killing over the past 20 years? Nothing about the active approve of EVERY GULF STATE...you know the neighbors who've had to put up with Iran's BS for the past 50 years? Nothing about the 10's of thousands of Iranian civilians killed for protesting before we showed up? Na, just focus of...let's see...not the US border...not the worldwide problem with Islamic immigrants that was enraged by Iran...not the fact the US doesn't need oil from the gulf...oh yeah...gas prices will be the metric of the day that makes your argument seem right. I'm sure you've got all the classified intel that went into all our actions and a full understanding of the big picture and you're not just emo raging like a toddler. Yeah, this process has never steered you wrong. Keep up the well investigated and perfectly justified raging. I'm sure that will help heal the divides in our country. Can we get a rational argument for once instead of the standard "everything Trump does is bad". Literally NO ONE here actually likes the guy wholesale. Some of us have realized we DO have to deal with the policies and actions, so let's make the best of it.
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Opening apertures has been the A-10's thing for a while...
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This is how far we have fallen. The MAGA bar is now “better than Biden”. That bar is incredibly low, and our country deserves so much better. Trump is big government in a conservative’s clothing and always has been. More federal control, more foreign entanglements, more federal spending. He puts on a great reality TV show that the MAGA crowd loves. It’s disgusting to watch from a conservative perspective.
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Well you’re right actually everything was humming along just fine, and then we started a counterproductive war of choice that spiked gas higher than the Biden average. And now it’s looking like it’s gonna stay there a while unless you think a ceasefire that lets Iran charge the tankers going through the straight is gonna somehow make oil cheaper. But yet again I’m sure I’m just missing some crucial piece of the puzzle here and the 5-D chess will become evident in the fullness of time
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Gas prices are currently around $4/gal nation-wide, which is the peak under Trump's second term. Gas prices peaked at over $5/gal under Biden. Biden's total term average was $3.45 according to your slide. Trumps second term average is $3.06 His first term was $2.57. So please tell me again how gas prices under Trump are so bad?
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The Lobos of the 175th FS are hiring!! Apps are dues August 15 2025. No formal rush events at this time and the board will take place over October UTA. Link to the application is posted on Mil Recruiter. FIRE AWAY!!
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Saw this on X; was wondering if it was some AI slop/vaporware. Kinda makes sense with parking the KC-10's and no-go for the -46. Having a probe would open up the aperture for available baskets vs probes depending on the A/O and players in theater. Hopefully its angled enough off to the side to not be an annoying blind spot during WD.
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please by the grace of god the A-10 goes to the USMC.
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Another example of why Trump is worth the insanity: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/epa-lee-zeldin-tells-climate-skeptics-to-celebrate-vindication/
