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Copy, ridicule of cuck-sauruses in the public commons of social media was your intent. No problem with that. Viper I'd say the assassin took the nuclear option here because conservatives have been making progress against liberals the last few years, but I get your point.
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The suspect in their killing had a list of pro-abortion figures, so yes, it was definitely political. I do not recall a single prominent conservative making excuses for or celebrating their murders.
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1. charlie kirk is nationally known. some state senators not so much. 2. his assassination was captured up close in graphic detail. 3. this is clearly a political assassination. i don't even know who killed the hortmans. did they ever publish a motive or find the killer? i honestly don't know. kirk's death is a visual symbol of a direct attack on the first amendment.
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To foot stomp what Viper said, I didn’t intend for my use of “doxxing” to mean going after family, kids at school, etc. I should have been more clear earlier. What I mean is calling out the individual publicly to employers, neighbors, parents at schools (if said individual works at a school), local FB groups, etc. Screenshots of these POS humans SM posts are going viral on X, with their employers tagged (for example), which has resulted in multiple firings. That’s the kind of thing I want to see a lot more. There must be immediately impactful consequences for that kind of rhetoric, and losing income is one of those consequences.
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I'll explain it. It's different because people on the right were calling for people to be doxxed for things that literally every sane person in the world agrees with - i.e. murdering people based on their beliefs is something that should not be tolerated. So yeah, let's dox those people in order to shame them and root out what is a sick and anti-social sect of people who for whatever reason seem to be gaining power in our country. On the other hand, people on the left were using doxxing as a means to impose a measure of social pressure and control on groups of people they would fear would speak out against their latest social fad / cause: all whites are racists, but Blacks cannot be racist; transgenderism is natural, etc, etc. In other words they're using doxxing to avoid having a conversation about what are controversial topics. In short, the right is using doxxing to preserve society and social norms. The left is using it to undermine society. See the difference? I will say fairly, that using doxxing to target bystanders (i.e. someone's family) is gross no matter what the circumstances. Sins of the father and all... And I'm not sure what your opinion is on nuclear weapons, but we wouldn't respond in-kind to NK with a bio or chem attack because we don't have those types of weapons anymore. But if NK used bio / chem in an appreciable way (not a couple shells here or there) that was going to turn the tide of battle in their favor, you better believe we'd pull out the nukes.
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Of course their assassinations were horrible and wrong. As for not posting about it, I don’t think most people (nationally) even know who those people were, whereas Charlie Kirk was definitely well known. And if you did an unsuccessful search for their names, why didn’t you post about it when it occurred? The point is what I don’t recall is a big conservative push to say how it was a good thing those state reps were killed—unless I missed something?
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I don't agree with killing someone for exercising their first amendment rights. I also don't recall this level of backlash or attention when the Hortmans were assassinated in MN...why the difference? I couldn't find any associated posts here after searching 'hortman' or 'minnesota'
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Strongly oppose anything other than public disclosure of what they said out there for public consumption. Families should never be doxed (home info, relatives, etc). Make the owner of the words stand by them, but counter with more accurate and truthful words not violence (unless as someone outlined, self defense). I’m all for defending someone, if the perpetrator is intent on doing physical harm/death, with the use of copious amounts of deadly force.
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I asked what the difference was, specifically. @Lord Ratner somewhat answered, though I disagree that providing information such as someone's home address will lead to a change in public discourse. It will more than likely lead to violence. If you're goal is to reduce ppl freely spouting hate on social media and risk it becoming publicly acceptable speech, maybe the companies allowing this stuff on their platform should be held accountable. @brabus If nK launches chem/bio weapons at Kunsan/Osan I don't expect us to lose our morals and respond in kind. If someone is stupid enough to post some disgusting shit with their real name attached, fine, fwd it to their boss. Posting their address, the name of their kids, and where they go to school is not going to shift a window developed by a policy analyst. If someone shows up to your kids school to harass them for being pro-life are you really going to change your views on pro-life? I'd argue most ppl are going to double down on their rhetoric, they're just going to be more discreet about it.
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Murder is bad...right? We are most definitely facing societal decline when murder is tolerated. People who condone murder should be labeled as terrorists.
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The rot is deep in our society Leftist Military Members Justify Charlie Kirk’s Assassination: ‘FAFO’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/leftist-military-members-justify-charlie-kirks-assassination-fafo/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Because looking the other way, tolerating their behavior, “being the bigger person” has failed. They will stop at nothing to destroy anyone who is not part of their cult. Going too far would be burning cities/destroying property, inciting violence against them/killing them directly (unless in self defense). But, making sure their employers, neighbors, etc. know what POS they are, refusing them service, being direct with them that their evil bullshit is not wanted and will not be tolerated in our society any longer - that’s fair game and what needs to happen.
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It's different because the Overton window is real, and it matters. And for too long the right has allowed the left full control of the window. You absolutely 100% should lose your livelihood and reputation for saying certain things. The question is, what are those things? You cannot have a society that has absolutely no shared values, and not being murdered for holding an opposing belief is a pretty obvious value. Take note, I did not say that the government should be the one to take your job from you for speech. But if we societally can't agree that supporting the murder of innocent people is not an acceptable view to hold, and as such, a disqualifying view from civil participation, then we do not have a society. The more extreme examples of this are on full display in Europe right now. But if we don't get a handle on it, we will follow them. We do not have 350 million philosophers in America. People by and large adopt the views of those around them, and express them only if they believe it is safe to do so. Technology has made it possible for citizens to be exposed to ideologies that we didn't used to have to worry about. We are operating as though the lunatics amongst us are limited in their reach to a soapbox on a street corner. That is just not the case anymore. Absolutely humiliating anyone who promotes the idea that Charlie Kirk, or anyone like him, should have been killed, will dramatically reduce such discourse, and as a result, dramatically reduce the spread of these poisonous beliefs. And yes, for the most extreme violations of the Overton window, getting punched repeatedly in the face is on the table. We need to stop pretending like the miracle that is the United States was created through a tortured definition of freedom of thought or expression that the framers never intended.
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Agreed and while what they have said is reprehensible, this approach is likely an insult as Charlie was fighting for his beliefs, the Constitution and debate...which clearly includes free speech. there is of course a line in calling for more violence but most of this is tasteless sickening opinion.
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I know in my state (Utah) doxxing is illegal. Though, if someone is stupid enough to post hateful comments on the same platform as their business...well, I guess doxxing yourself is okay. This shooting hit pretty close to home for me. I've been to the campus many times, know professors there, two of my kids attended the school. I know students circulated petitions to ban Kirk from speaking. The actual petition to ban Kirk stated he "doesn't align with the college's value of inclusivity to all." Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. Utah is a very conservative state (obviously) with pockets of liberals in the large cities and college campuses. The hate from the left in the local media (comment section), even here, is just sad. One has to wonder how many nuts out there read comments calling Trump Hitler and conservatives Nazis and decide, for the good of the world, to take action. Certainly one did yesterday.
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How is DOXING ppl for their beliefs/comments, regardless of how reprehensible they are, any different than what the left does? That's their MO, ruin the lives of ppl they disagree with.
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Yep, gloves off. Every one of these sick fucks (such as Mole’s vet example) should be doxxed, made to lose their jobs/unhireable, refused service at any business who knows about them, etc. They should not be assaulted or their property destroyed, but their easy lives should be made horribly difficult and intolerable. Fuck em.
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It's very hard to fight an asymmetric war and maintain your virtues. I hope all of those people get doxed. https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf "These effects were driven by respondents that self-identified as left of center, with 48% and 55% at least somewhat justifying murder for Elon Musk and President Trump, respectively."
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The left is an unhinged cult. And to be clear, I’m not talking about the moderate dems who hold liberal beliefs on social services, health care, economics, etc. I’m talking about the large group on the left who cannot stand to hear someone doesn’t agree with them and subsequently wishes harm and ruin on them because of a differing opinion. That group is quite large. Time for people to wake up and actually hold these lunatics accountable for their rhetoric and actions.
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Lovely. Part of the sadness I feel about asinine comments like these, is that they are driven by the stereotype of Charlie Kirk, and not the facts. All you have to do is watch a few of the clips from his "encounters" and you discover he was none of the nasty things he's being called right now. The level of ignorance-fueled hate is, as always, unbelievable - but expected from the left.
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But then they would have gone against a long standing tradition of skipping over a better weapon choice in favor of a Hellfire failing to achieve DWE!
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They should have used an AIM-9 for that blob of goo.
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Here in Utah, Governor Cox reminded the media that Utah has the death penalty. I wouldn't be surprised if the suspect is caught, both the state and the feds charge a capital case.