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Dude. Engage in the discussion. Fine. But go back and re-post this using your non-sockpuppet account. We all know this is someone who's been here for a while.

I really hope this is not M2 because dibs.

If he did, that surgeon did a helluva job.

Did M2 transition 🤔..?

@raimius Yup that’s exactly what I mean, and I completely agree with you it’s not a real fix but unfortunately it will be the standard moving forward. It really isn’t too late to go back though, because all I hear is that the resulting pilots are bad and that it was better before. If the speed of the FTU isn’t going to increase anyway, why not replace the T-1 and go back to the way things were? Or like @Clark Griswold suggests, get something that the AF can actually use (light transport style) to work with in the meantime that kills 2 birds with 1 stone?

By "fixed" you mean pushed more basic training on the FTUs? We cut an entire phase out of UPT to "fix" it.

This Minnesota Somali deal is getting uglier by the day...$18B

@Polar Bear as far as I’m aware it’s just that the FTUs aren’t ready for the influx of pilots. They fixed the UPT problem but seemed to forget that the FTUs need to be just as fast for it to mean anything effectively.

What’s causing the delay?

8 months So much good, applicable and affordable training / experience / airmanship building could be done vs meaningless busywork Already posted this musing but whatever $175k ish would buy a good deal of tailwheel, acro, AMEL time and a type course in a transport category sim, travel costs included But… here we are. Somehow other Air Forces seem to figure out how to keep a multi engine trainer program going, not that only multi engine training is ailing in the Air Force Italians are getting the Piaggio 180 Key AeroModernising ITALY’S multi-engine trainingNew generation Piaggio P180s The Italian Air Force’s air transport...From the article: The typical course of Phase 3, for pilots aiming to gain their military wings for the multi-engine fleets, lasts about seven months and includes 60 flying hours, plus 51 hours in the simulator. This equipment is provided by Alsim which is representative of a generic multi-engine jet aircraft. As mentioned earlier, SATA will receive a new simulator from Piaggio Aerospace, representative of both the VC-180B and the VC-180C versions. If they can afford it we can too.

@brabus from your Nov 9 post: I own a T-28S, but actually the LLC owns the airplane. This plane is available for rent to anyone actually qualified to fly it. There has only been one person who has PIC’d this aircraft for the last 5 years of the LLC’s ownership I also own an LLC for pilot services, and other things, for the past 8 years. These two LLC work together as a monetary transfer structure. That pilot is and those LLCs are owned by the same person, me. One LLC pays the other LLC to rent the aircraft in exchange for pilot proficiency. One transaction benefits both LLCs. Somewhat complicated of a tax scheme, but my accountant swears it is legit, 5 years experience to agree. BL: An aircraft owned by an LLC can be used for tax benefit to deduct all expenses of Maintenace, hangar, insurance, fuel as an offset compared to owning outright as an individual where nothing is “deductible” as when it comes to taxes. As my marginal tax rate is 32%, owning a warbird, or any plane, can be accomplished at a “reduced” cost. DM if you want more info, or others are welcomed to chime in. It has been a great experience.

Dude I understand your frustration, things like that suck for everybody involved. That being said, you only can affect the things under your control and UPT & FTU delays aren't something you can control. They're also nothing new. Some guys in the 90s were on the banked program, where they did 1-2 year non-flying assignments before they even went to UPT. Wasn't uncommon for UPT selects in my ROTC Det to do 9-12 month casuals prior to going to UPT. I had a 5 month BIT between EWO school and the FTU. Guys that tracked fighters in my UPT class had a 9 month BIT (which was pretty average at that time, if you were even able to get a -38 slot since all the fighter FTUs back then were severely backed up). The BLUF of all that is delays like these have been going on for decades and all those pilots writ small and the AF writ large survived. Focus on the things you can control and realize you'll have a great time flying AF aircraft whether you're delayed or not.

This is objectively true. You only have to finish top 50% to continue to fighters. Getting a fighter on AD would take finishing in the top 10-25% (ish). Those who finish below that, but above 50%, are your huckleberries.

Guard dudes leave for OTS with set dates for all required training from OTS to their MWS (usually). It's not a fast track, they just do all their waiting prior to going to OTS. There's definitely an argument to be made that some guard babies get passed when they wouldn't have made it if they were AD, especially on the fighter side.

Broad answer most heavies outside of AFSOC from the stuff I’ve been hearing but no way to tell if they are working on it or content with the fact that AETC is “technically” reaching the desired numbers of winged UPT grads. and @Boomer6 yeah I wish I considered it more because they funnel guard/reserve through as quickly as they have in the past. That’s another conversation that I’m sure has been discussed on this forum with whether or not they should fast track guard people when active duty is so backed up but I don’t need to open that can of worms here

Recommend going Guard.

@NoFlyZone fresh pilot grads are waiting 8 months, seriously? Broad trend or specific MDS/MWS? Generalized answer more acceptable here.

They are no doubt pushing people through faster (quality as has been discussed is a fair debate), but what’s even worse is UPT grads going to heavies are waiting 8+ months to go to the FTU. What kind of detriment will we see when less experienced pilots are waiting a year before they fly again? The result is bad right now and people aren’t even waiting as long as they will in the future. Is there really a shortage of qualified pilots because it really doesn’t seem like there is. It’s making it really hard to want to do the program knowing that boredom and inadequacy will be my future due to a lack of a real plan, and that the earlier years of my career won’t be properly utilized either.

Nothing's wrong with them, they're just not currently executing the IPT syllabus.

What’s wrong with Doss? Are they increasing the number of students.

wasn't this jet owned by Thai Airways prior? The deep dive needn't stop at the most recent owner/maintainer. The faulty practice could've been years before they took possession.

somehow I missed that you fly FiFi and Doc! Guess I've been sleeping under a rock... LMK next time you're in northern Utah! I think KOGD has hosted y'all a couple times in the last couple years and that's 10 minutes from my house...

Well just have to wait for the AIB

Was it not mishap pilot #1 like every other AF crash?

Do you think it’s normal to publish the name of a pilot that ejected from an aircraft? It’s not. Why do you need to know the pilot’s name?