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On 8/6/2017 at 0:57 AM, matmacwc said:

Which is nice.

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity by finishing the quote.

 

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1 hour ago, Bergman said:

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity by finishing the quote.

 

Can't have Russians in the war room.

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Any idea what the plan is for the guys who graduated at the very beginning of FY08? There is a large group of aviators that will reach the end of their UPT commitment without the opportunity for a bonus.

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On 8/6/2017 at 8:59 AM, HossHarris said:

So they're interchangeable then?  if the pilot doesn't show up you can just put 2 wso in the jet?

SEALs are highly trained.  That doesn't mean they're interchangeable with pilots.

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SEALs are highly trained.  That doesn't mean they're interchangeable with pilots.

Or PJ's they are highly trained, went through a tougher course than UPT, routinely fly on HH-60's and HC-130's, even wear aircrew wings.

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Got a myPers email saying I'm eligible for the bonus now.  Looking into it as a prior bonus taker, I'd get the 11M rate per year for two years past my 20 years.  I assume the 365 is implied.  While it is awfully sweet of them to think of me, I don't believe I'll give up a year with my family and  2 years of seniority for 30k a year. 

Although if they give me a no 365 clause, and airline of choice afterward, I'd be tempted. 

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4 hours ago, bronxbomber252 said:


Or PJ's they are highly trained, went through a tougher course than UPT, routinely fly on HH-60's and HC-130's, even wear aircrew wings.

Define tougher.

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1 hour ago, NKAWTG said:

Got a myPers email saying I'm eligible for the bonus now.  Looking into it as a prior bonus taker, I'd get the 11M rate per year for two years past my 20 years.  I assume the 365 is implied.  While it is awfully sweet of them to think of me, I don't believe I'll give up a year with my family and  2 years of seniority for 30k a year. 

Although if they give me a no 365 clause, and airline of choice afterward, I'd be tempted. 

What's your Short Tour Return date?

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17 hours ago, NKAWTG said:

Got a myPers email saying I'm eligible for the bonus now.  Looking into it as a prior bonus taker, I'd get the 11M rate per year for two years past my 20 years.  I assume the 365 is implied.  While it is awfully sweet of them to think of me, I don't believe I'll give up a year with my family and  2 years of seniority for 30k a year. 

Although if they give me a no 365 clause, and airline of choice afterward, I'd be tempted. 

My bonus expires next year so I'll look at it again then, but my choice will likely be the same as yours. 

AF should also factor in 365s and forced PCS movements late in careers as well. These drive separations a whole lot for the crowd that would potentially stay in my opinion.  In my 40s I have little desire to be gone from my wife for a year or have to move.

If they guaranteed no 365s (I'd be OK with one 179) and guaranteed I wouldn't have to move I'd likely sign on when eligible next year.

 

 

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21 hours ago, NKAWTG said:

Got a myPers email saying I'm eligible for the bonus now.  Looking into it as a prior bonus taker, I'd get the 11M rate per year for two years past my 20 years.  I assume the 365 is implied.  While it is awfully sweet of them to think of me, I don't believe I'll give up a year with my family and  2 years of seniority for 30k a year. 

Although if they give me a no 365 clause, and airline of choice afterward, I'd be tempted. 

This is an interesting thought. I wonder if the AF could do some drug deal with the airlines. If I could get a guaranteed hire with the my choice of airline, that might make me stay for longer.

I don't see why the airlines would ever agree to that.

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On 8/9/2017 at 4:43 PM, 3PAARO said:

What's your Short Tour Return date?

Risk level high.  Early 2001, but haven't done a short tour yet.  More than half my deployments have a awaiting MPF verification tag next to them, and I haven't cracked the code on how to make them move my STRD.

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1 hour ago, NKAWTG said:

Risk level high.  Early 2001, but haven't done a short tour yet.  More than half my deployments have a awaiting MPF verification tag next to them, and I haven't cracked the code on how to make them move my STRD.

It's actually not too hard to get that STRD moved.  I think that we have the technology and shouldn't have to force it ourselves, but until that's fixed I'm keeping mine up to date.  No MPF at my location, so I email PDFs of the paid travel voucher and the orders to my servicing MPF.  That removes the "awaiting verification" and moves the STRD.  There's a few briefs floating around that go into more detail, but not needed for the quick fix.  You can also take those documents in hand and go to the MPF and sit there until it's done if you're concerned it won't happen.  

There was a message recently about DTS cleaning out docs older than a cutoff, (2007, 2008?) so might be worth saving those now.  I don't want to derail the thread, so PM if you have more questions.  If you get desparate you can also download their reg on e-pubs that explains the STRD.  

Ironically, I'm on a short tour now (but it was voluntary - they're not all bad) so I could have just not bothered updating any of it.  At this point it's just habit.

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I know every airframe is different in terms of STRD vulnerability, but your risk level has to be approaching extreme.  Last I heard, before I went to the guard and quit caring about STRD, F-16 guys were getting non-vol'd out of cycle around 5 years after their STRD.  No way would I take the two year bonus (at least at current prices) knowing that it'd put me on a 365, but to each their own.

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On 8/3/2017 at 0:33 PM, nunya said:

Per year?  5,800 might be a little low if you count EVERY airline, but the big 6 are good for around 4k/yr.  Certainly nowhere near 30k/yr.

Last number I saw was 80 per day, worldwide for the foreseeable future.

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Anyone seen/heard of a Pilot Bonus to O-5s to get them to stay past 20 for two years? I heard rumors of such....Would be interesting to see how much they are offering to keep them for a couple more years.

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6 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

It is in the PSDM on MyPers.

Not near govt computer. What's it say?

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Depends on your 11/12X categorization... in a nutshell for old guys who took (and it expired) or didn't take the bonus, they'll give you cash (up to 35K a year) to stay a min of a year, out to 22 - or max 24 years of service... again, all depends on what you flew, so need to check the MyPers to see where you fit.

Chuck

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14 hours ago, LowNSlow said:

Anyone seen/heard of a Pilot Bonus to O-5s to get them to stay past 20 for two years? I heard rumors of such....Would be interesting to see how much they are offering to keep them for a couple more years.

Yeah, it's in the retire-and-go-fly-for-the-airlines memo right under to the it's-unwise-to-stay-in-AD-past-20 paragraph.

The USAF doesn't care about O-5's as pilots.  If they did, they'd care about getting pilots to make O-5.

There is non-committed/previously expired bonus eligible text in the PSDM.  But if a qualified pilot is past 20 and has no ADSC, I would seriously question their sanity for taking a bonus and staying instead of getting out.

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I saw some dude posted on the Pilot Network about looking at retiring at 15 years and not taking a bonus to get there.  Any further on that?

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I saw some dude posted on the Pilot Network about looking at retiring at 15 years and not taking a bonus to get there.  Any further on that?

He was asking for the purpose of bringing it up at the HAF meeting. I wouldn't count on it happening, and certainly not anytime soon.

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1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:


He was asking for the purpose of bringing it up at the HAF meeting. I wouldn't count on it happening, and certainly not anytime soon.

HAF is talking about a "guaranteed retirement" at 15. Since TERA is approved until 2025 (?), it would be theoretically possible. However, it would require public law changes for long term viability.

Technically, retirement is still 30 years and the Services are allowing people to retire at 20 from a post-WWII "temporary" exemption. So who knows.

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On 8/17/2017 at 9:42 AM, LowNSlow said:

Anyone seen/heard of a Pilot Bonus to O-5s to get them to stay past 20 for two years? I heard rumors of such....Would be interesting to see how much they are offering to keep them for a couple more years.

I've seen it for fighter types, allowing transition to F-35 for RTU purposes as well as a second assignment in place (SAIP) option, I think both will happen.  If on the CAF Fighter pilots page on the BookFace.  

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