ExBoneOSO Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Just read this on AF.mil - hope he/she/they got out OK.. T-6 down at DLF 9/24/2010 - LAUGHLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFNS) -- A T-6A Texan II assigned here crashed at about 11:16 a.m. Sept. 24 near Spofford, Texas. The aircraft was on a routine training mission, and the condition of the crew is not known at this time. A board of officers will investigate the accident, and more information will be released as it becomes available. The T-6A Texan II is a single-engine, two-seat primary trainer designed to train Joint Primary Pilot Training students in basic flying skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 local news is saying both got out safely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 local news is saying both got out safely That's great news, I just hope the local media didn't dork it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzl337 Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 That's great news, I just hope the local media didn't dork it! Confirmed on the base. Both alive, no word on condition one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumkitwes Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Good to know they are alive. Hope it's not one of my bros down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Glad to here no fatalities, curious to here if it is another shaft problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiFlyer Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Glad to here no fatalities, curious to here if it is another shaft problem. Word is it was a formation flight, but the other aircraft wasn't involved. Both guys are back on base at the hospital for checkout but apparently no serious injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrooster99 Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Chalk two more up for Martin Baker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Word is it was a formation flight, but the other aircraft wasn't involved. Both guys are back on base at the hospital for checkout but apparently no serious injuries. VERY glad to hear it. Moderators, perhaps you could add this information and the date to the tagline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Here is a pic from the KSAT website. Looks like the plane is mostly intact from the looks of the pic. Will be very interesting to hear about this at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Heard it was a dual crew on a form ride. Not a midair though. Glad they both got out okay. Time to start showing off those ties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Time to scrape together $3000. http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/Sub-Navigation/Merchandise/Bremont-Watch.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 (edited) Here is a pic from the KSAT website. Looks like the plane is mostly intact from the looks of the pic. Will be very interesting to hear about this at some point. I can see it now.... un-informed news expert: "well as you can see, the wings are not attached to the main body and must have failed in flight" Edited September 25, 2010 by contraildash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 VERY glad to hear it. Moderators, perhaps you could add this information and the date to the tagline? Thanks! I can see it now.... un-informed news expert: "well as you can see, the wings are not attached to the main body and must have failed in flight" Later in the broadcast: Looks like some sort of cargo aircraft. The A-6 is a Vietnam-era attack aircraft with a single pilot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGuy Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Accident Investigation Board released yesterday: http://www.airforce-magazine.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Reports/2011/March%202011/Day04/T-6A_AIB_030311.pdf Says IP shut down engine and performed restart procedure improperly, severely damaging engine and preventing a restart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 No cutoff guard / throttle gate in the T-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGuy Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 No cutoff guard / throttle gate in the T-6? There is. And students are taught from day one in the SIM not to drape hand over throttle in off chance they lift it up. I have no idea how an IP could have cut it off, the cutoff guard is pretty far out of the way - not even sure how you could do it accidentally. I'm as interested to hear how you could damage the engine in a restart attempt to permanently disable it. My T6 systems knowledge has been completely dumped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiFlyer Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 There is. And students are taught from day one in the SIM not to drape hand over throttle in off chance they lift it up. I have no idea how an IP could have cut it off, the cutoff guard is pretty far out of the way - not even sure how you could do it accidentally. I'm as interested to hear how you could damage the engine in a restart attempt to permanently disable it. My T6 systems knowledge has been completely dumped... I've never flown the T-6 but I have flown a fair amount of TP time. One good way to kill the engine on an air start is to get the fuel flowing before you get the ignition on, or flowing at too great a rate before you light it. It can burn or even melt the turbine blades, combustion cans, or other sensitive components. I saw a guy totally melt the back end of an OV-10's engine that way. I have no idea what happened in this case, but I'm sure its possible if you get the air/gas/fire combination out of sequence or out of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B*D*A Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I had to look this up but the boldface for an immediate air re-start is PCL-OFF STARTER SWITCH-AUTO/RESET PCL-IDLE, ABOVE 13% N1 Somone else can post the exact warning but bad shit happens if you go immediately from OFF to IDLE. 2 on it being pretty hard to lift over the gate accidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 2 on it being pretty hard to lift over the gate accidentally. Not if the IP was a former -37 guy. They lost one at Randolf with two very experienced IP's on it for this reason. T-37 flap lever = T-6 throttle cutoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Negative transfer much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B*D*A Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Not if the IP was a former -37 guy. They lost one at Randolf with two very experienced IP's on it for this reason. T-37 flap lever = T-6 throttle cutoff I get your point but it doesn't seem to apply to this phase of flight i.e. moving the flaps during a rejoin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-21.Pilot Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 There are many other factors in this incident that were released: IP GK knowledge was poor Improper BF procedures Improper application of ORM-321 Engine was shutdown by the IP due to rapid reduction to idle during a straight-ahead rejoin. I also heard that the IP over flew several field that he was on profile for and that the student "saved the day" by "suggesting" that the crew eject at ~500' AGL vs. the mandatory 2000' AGL FL ejection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 You can flame the T-6 out by a rapid reduction to idle? Could you link to the full report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I get your point but it doesn't seem to apply to this phase of flight i.e. moving the flaps during a rejoin. Oh very good point, didn't realize they were on a rejoin. I have no idea wtf he was doing then. You can flame the T-6 out by a rapid reduction to idle? Could you link to the full report? Never heard of it happening before. And if so, this would be much more prevalent with all the stud's panic stopping on rejoins. Hell, I can't even count how many times I would go idle/boards on a rejoin...probably every rejoin I did on my first handful of form flights. Multiply that by...all of UPT and if it was an issue with the PT6 then there would be T-6's falling out of the sky at a very rapid rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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