August 1, 2025Aug 1 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: Blue Angels epically trolled the nitwit in Cali who is suing them. Legends!!
July 16Jul 16 Pete will likely intervene and end said review.Yahoo NewsNavy's Blue Angels investigate after video shows low flyo...The Blue Angels said an aircraft "flew lower than standard profiles, resulting in a disturbance on the beach that affected civilian chairs and umbrellas."
July 16Jul 16 The locals are cheering it, they want more. Carry on Patriots, until someone gets killed. 500 knots, 90 degrees of bank at 70' AGL. I hope to god the Boss is professional enough to know this was a major F'up!
July 16Jul 16 Author Yup. Military has been conditioned to punish anything even close to bending vol 3 over the last couple of decades. Previous cases under this admin have been just dudes doing non standard stuff in a 'everything is recorded' era. Nothing jumped out to me as dangerous. This on the other hand was nuts. Lets find a happy medium. Impossible i know.
July 16Jul 16 Civilian leadership is absolutely setting the conditions to make it nearly impossible to hold blatant and wanton lapses in airmanship accountable. All anyone will have to do is post on social media to garner attention from on high, say, "But the public loved it!" and "What about the Blue Angels", thereby garnering a public pardon of sorts. I would not want to be a commander right now if a true case of buffoonery occurred. Edited July 16Jul 16 by Muscle2002
July 17Jul 17 I'd imagine there being "no reprimands" does not mean there won't be some safety review and additional training for said bro involved? Commanders have previously been fired for WAY less....
July 17Jul 17 3 minutes ago, sketch2 said:I'd imagine there being "no reprimands" does not mean there won't be some safety review and additional training for said bro involved?Commanders have previously been fired for WAY less....That’s until someone complains to Pete on X and the CoC gets fired. No commander is risking their career over that.
July 17Jul 17 A few more details as I live here and it has been the main topic of conversation in the news and social media. This was not even a demo flight, it was a fam flight in preparation for the airshow this weekend.The jet that did the flyover was #3, NOT the solo. Important because he was not running down the showline, just trying to do an impromptu flyby as part of the rejoin and he obviously overshot the crowd line.The Boss did a local interview where he stated (paraphrasing), "it was a mistake, it was debriefed, we are moving forward with the show."One of the troubling comments came from another local press interview with #4 who said (again paraphrasing), "we are not backing off, push it up for the show this weekend."A few friends I flew with (all Navs I will point out), told me I am talking like an old guy, it was cool. I simply replied - "there is a reasons I am old guy." I FULLY understand he made a mistake and long ago I adopted the leadership tactic of a senior leader I think a lot of..."we should not electrocute an Airman over a single mistake." This is a debreif item, not an FEB or some other punishment. HOWEVER, we should not celebrate breeches or mistakes and cheer the outcome. As folks like @disgruntledemployee, such actions will only fan the flames and encourage the next guy to go lower/fast/inverted.
July 17Jul 17 Really wondered how you guys would assess and all I could think about is a few things:Using "Hooyah" un-ironically should be grounds for firing. The video of the B52 doing manoeuvers and crashing. Hoping it doesn't come to that before this admin is over.
July 17Jul 17 1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:Really wondered how you guys would assess and all I could think about is a few things:Using "Hooyah" un-ironically should be grounds for firing.The video of the B52 doing manoeuvers and crashing.Hoping it doesn't come to that before this admin is over.I seriously doubt this is another Bud Holland. The Blues take safety very seriously as many here already know. "I'll fix my safeties boss I'm glad to be here"
July 17Jul 17 At least the Blue Angels Lead is willing to go on the record and call this unsafe/it’s going to be debriefed and corrected.Any professional aviator (military or civilian) knows the road this is going down. I honestly don’t understand why Hegseth sees the need to insert himself into these discussions, especially given all that’s happening in the world and that lately military aviation has had several crashes, to include the Growler airshow crash.
July 17Jul 17 obviously unsafe. previously the pilot would be shot and a commander fired. now it's celebrated. there's a middle ground to find. acknowledge the mistake, correct it, and move on.
July 17Jul 17 7 hours ago, ClearedHot said:A few more details as I live here and it has been the main topic of conversation in the news and social media.This was not even a demo flight, it was a fam flight in preparation for the airshow this weekend.The jet that did the flyover was #3, NOT the solo. Important because he was not running down the showline, just trying to do an impromptu flyby as part of the rejoin and he obviously overshot the crowd line.The Boss did a local interview where he stated (paraphrasing), "it was a mistake, it was debriefed, we are moving forward with the show."One of the troubling comments came from another local press interview with #4 who said (again paraphrasing), "we are not backing off, push it up for the show this weekend."A few friends I flew with (all Navs I will point out), told me I am talking like an old guy, it was cool. I simply replied - "there is a reasons I am old guy." I FULLY understand he made a mistake and long ago I adopted the leadership tactic of a senior leader I think a lot of..."we should not electrocute an Airman over a single mistake." This is a debreif item, not an FEB or some other punishment. HOWEVER, we should not celebrate breeches or mistakes and cheer the outcome. As folks like @disgruntledemployee, such actions will only fan the flames and encourage the next guy to go lower/fast/inverted.Nuh uh there, good buddy. NOWHERE did I encourage said maneuver, but rather called the shot that Pete et al will intervene in any inquiry and nothing will happen, which is what happened. I think Pete & Co meddling in unit disciplinary actions is unsat. Maybe SoW and Navy would have a different reaction if 3 kids had to go to the ER for sand-to-eye injuries. I get the mistake part here, but that's not my commentary, its Secretary level meddling in unit ops.
July 17Jul 17 There's no such thing as correcting exactly back to the trend line. Hegseth was the response to things getting way out of whack on the dei/safe space/pussification side of the spectrum. He's going to spin the wheel hard right, get back to the center line, and blow through it a little bit.We're never going to know whether or not this is handled correctly because we're not going to know what the actual debrief for that pilot sounds like. But if he is chastised, given a few shitty additional duties here and there, and otherwise not punished for a singular mistake, then I would say hegseth and company have handled this well.There is absolutely no need to discuss the disciplinary side of this publicly, because ultimately nothing happened.
July 17Jul 17 7 hours ago, sketch2 said:I seriously doubt this is another Bud Holland. The Blues take safety very seriously as many here already know."I'll fix my safeties boss I'm glad to be here"I meant a culture building that allowed that to happen.
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