August 1, 2025Aug 1 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: Blue Angels epically trolled the nitwit in Cali who is suing them. Legends!!
Thursday at 03:22 PM3 days Pete will likely intervene and end said review.Yahoo NewsNavy's Blue Angels investigate after video shows low flyo...The Blue Angels said an aircraft "flew lower than standard profiles, resulting in a disturbance on the beach that affected civilian chairs and umbrellas."
Thursday at 04:43 PM3 days The locals are cheering it, they want more. Carry on Patriots, until someone gets killed. 500 knots, 90 degrees of bank at 70' AGL. I hope to god the Boss is professional enough to know this was a major F'up!
Thursday at 04:53 PM3 days Author Yup. Military has been conditioned to punish anything even close to bending vol 3 over the last couple of decades. Previous cases under this admin have been just dudes doing non standard stuff in a 'everything is recorded' era. Nothing jumped out to me as dangerous. This on the other hand was nuts. Lets find a happy medium. Impossible i know.
Thursday at 09:49 PM3 days Civilian leadership is absolutely setting the conditions to make it nearly impossible to hold blatant and wanton lapses in airmanship accountable. All anyone will have to do is post on social media to garner attention from on high, say, "But the public loved it!" and "What about the Blue Angels", thereby garnering a public pardon of sorts. I would not want to be a commander right now if a true case of buffoonery occurred. Edited Thursday at 09:50 PM3 days by Muscle2002
Friday at 02:22 AM3 days I'd imagine there being "no reprimands" does not mean there won't be some safety review and additional training for said bro involved? Commanders have previously been fired for WAY less....
Friday at 02:27 AM3 days 3 minutes ago, sketch2 said:I'd imagine there being "no reprimands" does not mean there won't be some safety review and additional training for said bro involved?Commanders have previously been fired for WAY less....That’s until someone complains to Pete on X and the CoC gets fired. No commander is risking their career over that.
Friday at 11:16 AM2 days A few more details as I live here and it has been the main topic of conversation in the news and social media. This was not even a demo flight, it was a fam flight in preparation for the airshow this weekend.The jet that did the flyover was #3, NOT the solo. Important because he was not running down the showline, just trying to do an impromptu flyby as part of the rejoin and he obviously overshot the crowd line.The Boss did a local interview where he stated (paraphrasing), "it was a mistake, it was debriefed, we are moving forward with the show."One of the troubling comments came from another local press interview with #4 who said (again paraphrasing), "we are not backing off, push it up for the show this weekend."A few friends I flew with (all Navs I will point out), told me I am talking like an old guy, it was cool. I simply replied - "there is a reasons I am old guy." I FULLY understand he made a mistake and long ago I adopted the leadership tactic of a senior leader I think a lot of..."we should not electrocute an Airman over a single mistake." This is a debreif item, not an FEB or some other punishment. HOWEVER, we should not celebrate breeches or mistakes and cheer the outcome. As folks like @disgruntledemployee, such actions will only fan the flames and encourage the next guy to go lower/fast/inverted.
Friday at 12:45 PM2 days Really wondered how you guys would assess and all I could think about is a few things:Using "Hooyah" un-ironically should be grounds for firing. The video of the B52 doing manoeuvers and crashing. Hoping it doesn't come to that before this admin is over.
Friday at 01:01 PM2 days Big difference between a new guy making a mistake and someone who should know better.
Friday at 02:36 PM2 days 1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:Really wondered how you guys would assess and all I could think about is a few things:Using "Hooyah" un-ironically should be grounds for firing.The video of the B52 doing manoeuvers and crashing.Hoping it doesn't come to that before this admin is over.I seriously doubt this is another Bud Holland. The Blues take safety very seriously as many here already know. "I'll fix my safeties boss I'm glad to be here"
Friday at 03:18 PM2 days At least the Blue Angels Lead is willing to go on the record and call this unsafe/it’s going to be debriefed and corrected.Any professional aviator (military or civilian) knows the road this is going down. I honestly don’t understand why Hegseth sees the need to insert himself into these discussions, especially given all that’s happening in the world and that lately military aviation has had several crashes, to include the Growler airshow crash.
Friday at 05:58 PM2 days obviously unsafe. previously the pilot would be shot and a commander fired. now it's celebrated. there's a middle ground to find. acknowledge the mistake, correct it, and move on.
Friday at 07:11 PM2 days 7 hours ago, ClearedHot said:A few more details as I live here and it has been the main topic of conversation in the news and social media.This was not even a demo flight, it was a fam flight in preparation for the airshow this weekend.The jet that did the flyover was #3, NOT the solo. Important because he was not running down the showline, just trying to do an impromptu flyby as part of the rejoin and he obviously overshot the crowd line.The Boss did a local interview where he stated (paraphrasing), "it was a mistake, it was debriefed, we are moving forward with the show."One of the troubling comments came from another local press interview with #4 who said (again paraphrasing), "we are not backing off, push it up for the show this weekend."A few friends I flew with (all Navs I will point out), told me I am talking like an old guy, it was cool. I simply replied - "there is a reasons I am old guy." I FULLY understand he made a mistake and long ago I adopted the leadership tactic of a senior leader I think a lot of..."we should not electrocute an Airman over a single mistake." This is a debreif item, not an FEB or some other punishment. HOWEVER, we should not celebrate breeches or mistakes and cheer the outcome. As folks like @disgruntledemployee, such actions will only fan the flames and encourage the next guy to go lower/fast/inverted.Nuh uh there, good buddy. NOWHERE did I encourage said maneuver, but rather called the shot that Pete et al will intervene in any inquiry and nothing will happen, which is what happened. I think Pete & Co meddling in unit disciplinary actions is unsat. Maybe SoW and Navy would have a different reaction if 3 kids had to go to the ER for sand-to-eye injuries. I get the mistake part here, but that's not my commentary, its Secretary level meddling in unit ops.
Friday at 08:11 PM2 days There's no such thing as correcting exactly back to the trend line. Hegseth was the response to things getting way out of whack on the dei/safe space/pussification side of the spectrum. He's going to spin the wheel hard right, get back to the center line, and blow through it a little bit.We're never going to know whether or not this is handled correctly because we're not going to know what the actual debrief for that pilot sounds like. But if he is chastised, given a few shitty additional duties here and there, and otherwise not punished for a singular mistake, then I would say hegseth and company have handled this well.There is absolutely no need to discuss the disciplinary side of this publicly, because ultimately nothing happened.
Friday at 10:27 PM2 days 7 hours ago, sketch2 said:I seriously doubt this is another Bud Holland. The Blues take safety very seriously as many here already know."I'll fix my safeties boss I'm glad to be here"I meant a culture building that allowed that to happen.
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