Today in hypocrisy...

[Clark Griswold]

Not hypocrisy per sr but irony, mining for the RE metals for “green” energy ain’t do green

Report: China Destroying Myanmar with Rare Earth Mining for ‘Green’ Energy https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2022/08/10/report-china-destroying-myanmar-with-rare-earth-mining-for-green-energy/


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[Pooter]

Some hypocrisy In light of recent events..

The "lock her up" crowd suddenly not caring at all about mishandling of classified documents. 

The "but her emails" crowd suddenly caring so much about mishandling of classified documents. 
 

It's wild that people are so mentally broken by political polarization they can't even recognize a standard and apply it equally. Either classified documents matter or they don't. 

[CaptainMorgan]

Some hypocrisy In light of recent events..
The "lock her up" crowd suddenly not caring at all about mishandling of classified documents. 
The "but her emails" crowd suddenly caring so much about mishandling of classified documents. 
 
It's wild that people are so mentally broken by political polarization they can't even recognize a standard and apply it equally. Either classified documents matter or they don't. 

I’d be very surprised if Obama, Bush, and Clinton didn’t have some classified docs in their possession after vacating the office.


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[arg]

4 hours ago, Pooter said:

Some hypocrisy In light of recent events..

The "lock her up" crowd suddenly not caring at all about mishandling of classified documents. 

The "but her emails" crowd suddenly caring so much about mishandling of classified documents. 
 

It's wild that people are so mentally broken by political polarization they can't even recognize a standard and apply it equally. Either classified documents matter or they don't. 

Were classified documents found? Did I miss something?

Honest question.

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, arg said:

Were classified documents found? Did I miss something?

Honest question.

22 Hillary Clinton Emails Dubbed Top Secret

As noted in the investigation liberals don't like to talk about, this was a DELIBERATE effort to remove TS/SCI material from a classified server or package and put it on an unclassified email system...and Comey let her off the hook for it.  There are two standards of justice in the country and sadly Conservatives are getting the shaft.

[arg]

59 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

22 Hillary Clinton Emails Dubbed Top Secret

As noted in the investigation liberals don't like to talk about, this was a DELIBERATE effort to remove TS/SCI material from a classified server or package and put it on an unclassified email system...and Comey let her off the hook for it.  There are standard of justice in the country and sadly Conservatives are getting the shaft.

I was asking if any classified was found at Trumps house.

[Day Man]

18 minutes ago, arg said:

I was asking if any classified was found at Trumps house.

from February:

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082391130/garland-trump-classified-records-mar-a-lago

[Pooter]

4 hours ago, arg said:

Were classified documents found? Did I miss something?

Honest question.

That is the going theory. FBI hasn't yet released what was found in the raid. 

 

5 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

I’d be very surprised if Obama, Bush, and Clinton didn’t have some classified docs in their possession after vacating the office.


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1) would that make it okay?

2) I actually kindof doubt it. Looking from the outside-in those administrations seemed to have their shit far more in a sock than the trump camp. Also probably a better general respect for national security and classification procedures. There are literally insider accounts of trump attempting to flush documents down WH toilets. 

[dream big]

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

 

2) I actually kindof doubt it. Looking from the outside-in those administrations seemed to have their shit far more in a sock than the trump camp. Also probably a better general respect for national security and classification procedures. There are literally insider accounts of trump attempting to flush documents down WH toilets. 

Those administrations had their shit in a sock? Or is it: the George Soros infested media didn’t scrutinize those administrations nearly as they did/do Trump?  Bush got us into two wars we arguably lost, Obama decimated our military, the effects of which we are still feeling, but the worst…Trump had mean tweets.  Got it! 
 

These “insider accounts” always need to be taken with a grain of salt.  Not saying Trump isn’t without fault, but many of these “insider accounts” are mid level peons just trying to get their 5 mins of fame. 

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, arg said:

I was asking if any classified was found at Trumps house.

The FBI was tipped off by an informer close to Trump who guided them to where documents were kept, according to reports

[Prozac]

6 hours ago, dream big said:

Those administrations had their shit in a sock? Or is it: the George Soros infested media didn’t scrutinize those administrations nearly as they did/do Trump?  Bush got us into two wars we arguably lost, Obama decimated our military, the effects of which we are still feeling, but the worst…Trump had mean tweets.  Got it! 
 

These “insider accounts” always need to be taken with a grain of salt.  Not saying Trump isn’t without fault, but many of these “insider accounts” are mid level peons just trying to get their 5 mins of fame. 

It never fails to impress me how much credit is given to George Soros (and Bill Gates, the Clintons, & a few others). I guess boogeymen can be useful.  Question for the believers/“awake”: did George replace the Rothschilds or Colonel Sanders in the Pentaverate?
 

 

[arg]

Ignore the opinionated article and just watch the video.

He said everything with a straight face so it must be truth.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/live-stream-video-ag-merrick-garland-deliver-remarks-lie-raid-president-trumps-home-maralago-230-pm-et/?ff_source=admiral&ff_medium=gatedengage&ff_content=nonblockers!!

[Pooter]

19 hours ago, dream big said:

Those administrations had their shit in a sock? Or is it: the George Soros infested media didn’t scrutinize those administrations nearly as they did/do Trump?  Bush got us into two wars we arguably lost, Obama decimated our military, the effects of which we are still feeling, but the worst…Trump had mean tweets.  Got it! 
 

These “insider accounts” always need to be taken with a grain of salt.  Not saying Trump isn’t without fault, but many of these “insider accounts” are mid level peons just trying to get their 5 mins of fame. 

I'm talking about admin.. not broader policy. You know.. the kind of admin that prevents you from getting a landscaping business and the four seasons hotel mixed up when you're shopping for press conference locations. 
 

Not here to debate George soros or military funding or which wars we should and should not have fought. I'm simply pointing out that the trump administration was notoriously all over the place on administrivia and it's pretty hilarious you'd even dispute that.  Knowing who he is as a person and his level of disrespect for basic processes it seems not just probable, but likely he purposefully or accidentally mishandled classified. 
 

And now the DOJ is trying to make the warrant public and trumps legal team is potentially trying to prevent that move. Must be some good stuff in there. 

[Day Man]

latest scuttlebutt is that it's nuclear-related😳

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, Day Man said:

latest scuttlebutt is that it's nuclear-related😳

Ruh roh 😂

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[Sim]

BlueAnon types are so predictable. 

[uhhello]

10 minutes ago, Sim said:

BlueAnon types are so predictable. 

Lighten up snowflake

[ClearedHot]

6 minutes ago, Negatory said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-recovered-eleven-sets-of-classified-documents-in-trump-search-inventory-shows-11660324501
 

So, we all agree #TrumpForPrison, right?

Right after they check Hillary into her cell...

[ClearedHot]

8 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Sure, I’m fine with both.

But you have to look at events in vacuums. If he did what they’re saying, it will require a lot of mental gymnastics for the right to not call for harsh consequences regardless. With that being said, I entirely expect it.

If he did what WHO is saying.  I think the two situations are VERY different but would like the law to apply equally.

On the Trump side there are a few complicating factors that are not adding up at first look.

1.  His initial response is "these were declassified documents"  As we all know, POTUS is the ultimate declassification authority.  While the intel apparatus prefers those documents be reviewed, there is no requirement.  It will be interesting to see if any process was followed or is this just an excuse.

2.  The FBI knew all of this stuff was there and there were other mechanisms to get the documents.  Also, they left the information there for two months after the last visit.  If this was so sensitive why did they wait? The timing is VERY specious and has the appearance of the DOJ being weaponized just before the mid-terms.

3.  It has been reported that Obama took 30 MILLION documents with him when he left.  The national archives has put out a statement saying there is no classified in those documents.  Do you honestly believe they reviewed all 30 million documents.

With regard to Hillary Clinton that is a VERY different situation.

1.  She was not POTUS, she had no declassification authority and no legal justification to purposely mishandle very classified material.

2.  They found SCI not in a locked closet but on her freaking private server.  As you know, that was a deliberate act...I say again, A DELIBERATE ACT.  Someone had to copy/print/USB stick that info from a system that did not touch her private server and purposely load it onto an unclassified system.

3.  She purposely destroyed 33,000 emails.

How can they prosecute Trump with a straight face after Comey changed the language on the Hillary report and let her off the hook.  Do you not see that as complete double standard of justice? 

[ClearedHot]

10 minutes ago, Negatory said:

The whataboutism is amazing. I, for one, find the thing most ironic in these discussions to be the title of this thread. Today, in hypocrisy, you defend someone’s actions just because they are a Republican.

I am NOT defending anyone, I want to see details beyond a warrant.  Let me guess you think the FBI is pristine and this is a slam dunk because the FBI pursued a warrant...I mean they would never lie....like to the FISA court to get a warrant to spy on an American citizen.

I also pointed out the hypocrisy given the way Hillary was treated...something the left never seems to acknowledge. 

10 minutes ago, Negatory said:

 Oh, and there’s a process for it...

Do you even bother objectively read other posts....to quote my own post "It will be interesting to see if any process was followed or is this just an excuse."

And where is your equal outrage about how Hillary was treated?

[LiquidSky]

8 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

If he did what WHO is saying.  I think the two situations are VERY different but would like the law to apply equally.

On the Trump side there are a few complicating factors that are not adding up at first look.

1.  His initial response is "these were declassified documents"  As we all know, POTUS is the ultimate declassification authority.  While the intel apparatus prefers those documents be reviewed, there is no requirement.  It will be interesting to see if any process was followed or is this just an excuse.

2.  The FBI knew all of this stuff was there and there were other mechanisms to get the documents.  Also, they left the information there for two months after the last visit.  If this was so sensitive why did they wait? The timing is VERY specious and has the appearance of the DOJ being weaponized just before the mid-terms.

3.  It has been reported that Obama took 30 MILLION documents with him when he left.  The national archives has put out a statement saying there is no classified in those documents.  Do you honestly believe they reviewed all 30 million documents.

With regard to Hillary Clinton that is a VERY different situation.

1.  She was not POTUS, she had no declassification authority and no legal justification to purposely mishandle very classified material.

2.  They found SCI not in a locked closet but on her freaking private server.  As you know, that was a deliberate act...I say again, A DELIBERATE ACT.  Someone had to copy/print/USB stick that info from a system that did not touch her private server and purposely load it onto an unclassified system.

3.  She purposely destroyed 33,000 emails.

How can they prosecute Trump with a straight face after Comey changed the language on the Hillary report and let her off the hook.  Do you not see that as complete double standard of justice? 

1. 

 

Had he done this while President there might be an argument to be woven. Better if there was an official memorandum stating documents X, Y, and Z are declassified.

But with the current situation if the documents are sitting in a safe, still marked classified (rather than appropriately had the markings redacted and marked unclass), and they're not part of the public record (freely accessible via normal means such as a foia request) not a chance in the eyes of the law they were declassified. 

2. Did they? Nothing has stated the timeline yet between learning and acting. Unfortunately legal mechanism here turn quite slowly, especially when you consider how squeaky clean a warrant against a former president needs to be due to optics. 

As for weaponized you do realize the FBI is lead by a trump appointee right?

3. The national archives still manages those records. The location of those records was moved for a specific reason. See the national archives statement here:

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001

 

"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration. "

The rest of the whataboutism I'll drop because the entire purpose is misdirection. Would it be nice if everyone was held equally under the law? Yes. Is it too late to start just because we didn't in the past? No. If it was you'd never get any progress because what about in 1700 when I could burn witches? It's not fair I'd get jailed for that now. Someone else did it! 

[brabus]

@Negatory When’s the last time a federal agency raided a previous president’s home? And would you please answer CH’s last question.

Look, I’m not defending anybody here, but holy fuck, we just watched something unprecedented in our country’s history go down that has, until now, been a staple of banana republics and communist regimes. Meanwhile the plethora of left organizations and figures who have been glossed over/swept under the rug is astounding. Here’s the major problem: there is no single standard, and when that doesn’t exist, you are looking at weaponization of the government along a party line. That’s the shit that happens in China, Russia, NK, etc. - not the United States of America. 

Lock up Trump? OK sure, if he’s convicted of something that warrants it by law. But no fucking way if you also don’t go grab the Clintons, Biden, 90% of congress, all of Epstein’s cohorts, probably tens of thousand three letter agency bureaucrats, etc.

Regardless of personal political beliefs, stop accepting a pass for one party’s peeps while cheering on witch hunts vs. the opposite party. If you’re not on board with that, then kindly fuck off out of this country. I think you probably agree with that statement - but your words/approach communicate otherwise. 

Edited August 12, 2022 by brabus

[LiquidSky]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

When’s the last time a federal agency raided a previous president’s home? And would you please answer CH’s last question.

Look, I’m not defending anybody here, but holy , we just watched something unprecedented in our country’s history go down that has, until now, been a staple of banana republics and communist regimes. Meanwhile the plethora of left organizations and figures who have been glossed over/swept under the rug is astounding. Here’s the major problem: there is no single standard, and when that doesn’t exist, you are looking at weaponization of the government along a party line. That’s the shit that happens in China, Russia, NK, etc. - not the United States of America. 

Lock up Trump? OK sure, if he’s convicted of something that warrants it by law. But no ing way if you also don’t go grab the Clintons, Biden, 90% of congress, all of Epstein’s cohorts, probably tens of thousand three letter agency bureaucrats, etc.

Regardless of personal political beliefs, stop accepting a pass for one party’s peeps while cheering on witch hunts vs. the opposite party. If you’re not on board with that, then kindly off out of this country. I think you probably agree with that statement - but your words/approach communicate otherwise. 

And now the strawman argument comes out. 

You do realize South Korea, Iceland, Taiwan, and France have also tried and found former (or current) leaders guilty. That's not even looking at parliaments, etc. Just heads of state. 

I'd argue it's situational. Yes it's a banana republic thing to use your power to stay in power. However, it's also a sign of a progressive nation that it can hold current or former leaders accountable through a fair process.

In this case if you think an FBI led by a republican (trump) appointee asked for and executed a warrant and authorized by a moderate doj head (who I'll note was recommended by Republicans as center enough to fill a Supreme Court justice slot not 6 years ago, so he probably isn't a magical boogie man) is trying to tighten the reigns on power akin to a banana Republic...

Bless your heart.

Edited August 12, 2022 by LiquidSky
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[Blue]

This was kind of a good thread until it got drug down the usual politics path.  Maybe the last page or so could be moved to the "Next President Is" thread?

Also, for all the noise about the FBI's Florida Vacation at Mar-a-Lago, as far as I know, there hasn't been anything official, right?  Some statements from the AG, and the usual "reports from unnamed sources familiar with the investigation."

Happy to be corrected, but seems a bit premature to draw any conclusions..............

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Blue