Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[BashiChuni]

Looks like that Ukrainian war isn’t going so well…

[uhhello]

7 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

Looks like that Ukrainian war isn’t going so well…

Weren't you saying this 2 years ago?  🙂

[BashiChuni]

[FourFans]

12 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Unbelieveable

[Biff_T]

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

Unbelieveable

It's always our fault somehow.   

[BashiChuni]

This is a continuation of our disastrous foreign policy of intervening in regional conflicts where we do not belong 

[bfargin]

douchebags

[tac airlifter]

Secretary Austin is a disgrace.

[ViperMan]

@BashiChuni, I want Ukraine to win, but that is absolutely absurd statement by Yellen. Up is down.

[bfargin]

I think pretty much everyone but Russia wants them to win. But we've done enough and don't have a pot to piss in right now anyway.

[BashiChuni]

[HeloDude]

Progressives politicians:  We need to give Ukraine tens of billions of dollars (money that we don’t have on top of the other tens of billions we have already given them), and if we don’t, Ukraine will fall to Russia and the US will have the blame.  Oh and additionally we many have to send our own troops to fight in eastern Europe.

Non-progressive politicians:  Ok, well, as long as we can also add funding/make significant changes to our own border security and tighten illegal immigration rules/laws, then we’ll fund that and money for Ukraine.

Progressive politicians:  No

 

[brabus]

Politicians are such pieces of shit. The best fix is remove 100% of them, enact term limits, then start over. Everyone does 8 max and done. One can dream…

[Random Guy]

5 hours ago, HeloDude said:

money that we don’t have on top of the other tens of billions we have already given them...

 

Most transfers were 'in kind'. 

 

But how can a ledger 'not have money'? Did they run out of numbers or something?

[ClearedHot]

 

[BashiChuni]

"for the good of the world"

please.

so tired of the globalists.

[FourFans]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

"for the good of the world"

please.

so tired of the globalists.

Apparently you can't see through the rhetoric.  Being globally aware and engaging the power we (USA) still have is simply responsible for our own well being, forget the rest of the world.  We have options now that we won't have later.

You can choose to stick your head in the sand now, but that only leaves tomorrow you two options:

A: Try to become globally aware and engaged later with options, power, and leverage you might not have any more.

B: Learn Chinese.

That's not an opinion.  That's fact proven by history time and time again.

[BashiChuni]

C. it's not our fight

[BashiChuni]

the time to use soft power was long past. expanding nato was a HUGE strategic mistake. putin didn't just wake up and decide to invade ukraine.

we were fucking around in russia's backdoor for decades and guess what...we found out

[uhhello]

45 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

the time to use soft power was long past. expanding nato was a HUGE strategic mistake. putin didn't just wake up and decide to invade ukraine.

we were fucking around in russia's backdoor for decades and guess what...we found out

What did we find out?  

[kaputt]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

the time to use soft power was long past. expanding nato was a HUGE strategic mistake. putin didn't just wake up and decide to invade ukraine.

we were fucking around in russia's backdoor for decades and guess what...we found out

This has been a bad take for two straight years man. 
 

That being said, the Democrats refusal to come to the table on the border in order to also fund Ukraine effort is frankly sick and proves they don’t give two actual shits about Ukraine or America. Their only focus is funneling more and more people across the border in order to try and force as much demographic change as possible. The “border funding” they claim was in the failed bill is mostly to streamline the asylum process, which will only ensure more masses flood the border.  

It’s not like the Republicans were looking for an either/or and wanting to completely cut funding to Ukraine. I personally think what’s happening in Ukraine is still in our national interest (and I realize some disagree with that), but the border is an absolute embarrassment and MUST be addressed. 
 

The democrats refusal to even remotely pay attention to the border and then try and play the sympathy card about Ukraine just proves that they are corrupt, inept, and don’t give a shit about doing anything that’s right for the country. 
 

If the Ukraine funding dries up, they only have themselves to blame. 

[BashiChuni]

55 minutes ago, uhhello said:

What did we find out?  

you tell me.

who's winning?

[uhhello]

41 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

you tell me.

who's winning?

Define winning.  For the gains and losses attached, the Russians have gained the following:

Absolutely destroyed any semblance of their supposedly modern military

Bolstered a severely fractured NATO

Decimated their already critical working age population

At a minimum, put their economic growth on pause due to sanctions

 

So what did Russia gain?  

This has to end eventually for political reasons.  We can't support a stalemate indefinitely but I doubt the UKR's will stop fighting and I'm sure they'll continue to receive some type of support from the West, just not to the current levels.   

[FourFans]

18 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

you tell me.

who's winning?

No one.  That's who's winning.  It's war.  No one wins in THIS war.

Counter question: What do you think would happen afterwards if Russia were allowed to go unchecked by western support?   US and NATO stops supporting Ukraine, as you think should happen, and Russia dominates and takes the entire of Ukraine.  Then what?  You think he'll stop? 

Edited December 11, 2023 by FourFans
edit: add the functional "this"

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

No one.  That's who's winning.  It's war.  No one wins in war.

Counter question: What do you think would happen afterwards if Russia were allowed to go unchecked by western support?   US and NATO stops supporting Ukraine, as you think should happen, and Russia dominates and takes the entire of Ukraine.  Then what?  You think he'll stop? 

@BashiChuni not being pejorative, but your optic is somewhat tainted having been raised in what we want to be the American way of war.  Declare an objective, go take it quickly, packup and go home.  Thanks to support from the west and ever more efficient weapons have both exposed the faulty Russian war machine and equalized Ukraine on the battlefield.  Sadly the fight in Ukraine has settled into a battle of attrition that in years past would have favored Russia giving their willingness to endlessly throw their youth into the meat grinder.  Yes Ukraine wants to counter attack and regain their territory, but as long Russia continues to try and conquer Ukraine, then Ukraine has accidentally settled into the strategic position the German Commander Falkenhayn had at Verdun where the purpose was not to out maneuver or gain strategic position, but to bleed the "French white."

Ukraine is paying a horrific price, a cost that is purposely not being told, but as long as Ukraine has the support of the west, they will survive, Russia is alone and the impact is long and will be far reaching.  The impact of years of internal social issues and this conflict has reduced their young working male population, an issue that will manifest in several years and further accelerate the decline Russia as a world power.  Russia's Navy has been hurt, Russian's Air Force has been seriously degraded and Russia's army is in tatters.  Putin's expansion has been stopped and his dream of rebuilding the FSU is dead.  We need to keep it buried.