Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[LiquidSky]

Anyone looking for a new job?

"Ukraine's Air Force said it will now allow foreigners to serve as pilots and engineering specialists, with a spokesperson stressing the fact that Ukraine will likely need international recruits if and when it starts to receive Western combat aircraft."

 

[pawnman]

7 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Anyone looking for a new job?

"Ukraine's Air Force said it will now allow foreigners to serve as pilots and engineering specialists, with a spokesperson stressing the fact that Ukraine will likely need international recruits if and when it starts to receive Western combat aircraft."

 

I don't think my commander will sign that particular off-duty employment form.

[McJay Pilot]

A little late, but funny!

 

[ClearedHot]

On 3/24/2023 at 1:28 PM, LiquidSky said:

Anyone looking for a new job?

"Ukraine's Air Force said it will now allow foreigners to serve as pilots and engineering specialists, with a spokesperson stressing the fact that Ukraine will likely need international recruits if and when it starts to receive Western combat aircraft."

I am IN!  Where do I sign?

[DirkDiggler]

Best use of my tax dollars I've ever seen!

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

Best use of my tax dollars I've ever seen!

Just waiting for someone to chime in that Russia is going to overpower Ukraine with a Spring offensive...because the last one went so well for them, before they lost 10,000 pieces of equipment and 100,000 soldiers.

[FourFans]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Just waiting for someone to chime in that Russia is going to overpower Ukraine with a Spring offensive...because the last one went so well for them, before they lost 10,000 pieces of equipment and 100,000 soldiers.

Sadly, in terms of Russian history, they call that a warm-up.

[uhhello]

1 minute ago, FourFans said:

Sadly, in terms of Russian history, they call that a warm-up.

Last time they had the support of the allies though....

[FourFans]

3 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Last time they had the support of the allies though....

That's a fair point.  Hell, they're probably still using some of that left over "support" in the way of trucks as it is.

[uhhello]

7 minutes ago, FourFans said:

That's a fair point.  Hell, they're probably still using some of that left over "support" in the way of trucks as it is.

They were pulling T-54's and T-44s out of museums 

Edited April 10, 2023 by uhhello

[Biff_T]

6 hours ago, uhhello said:

They were pulling T-54's and T-44s out of museums 

There's a rumor (which I just started) that they'll be using horses for more than food.  They're pulling all of the good horses out of the slaughter house for use in the reactivated Russian calvary and horse artillery battalion.   Lol

[Clark Griswold]

10 hours ago, pawnman said:

Just waiting for someone to chime in that Russia is going to overpower Ukraine with a Spring offensive...because the last one went so well for them, before they lost 10,000 pieces of equipment and 100,000 soldiers.

I hear what you are saying and don't think we should cut off or cut down on the amount of aid now but.... there might be a point where the Ukrainians are willing to fight further using our money, weapons, support, etc... and it may be that we have done enough, they have done enough and just declaring a ceasefire and entering decades of a tense standoff may be the best for us, the whole team and I would include free and on the path to reform Western Ukraine.

Would this reward Russia?  No, the fact they would still hold some of Ukraine they wrongly seized is just a fact of life which is a four letter word and we have to accept it.  

This time is not now but I could see it in about 6-12 months, keep the aid and support flowing but behind the scenes begin to think about what and where a Western Ukraine would be acceptable.  If this happens, China and other aggressors will see a greatly diminished Russia, a Western coalition that held firm and likely a price paid for some territory that was not worth it.

[filthy_liar]

6 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

I hear what you are saying and don't think we should cut off or cut down on the amount of aid now but.... there might be a point where the Ukrainians are willing to fight further using our money, weapons, support, etc... and it may be that we have done enough, they have done enough and just declaring a ceasefire and entering decades of a tense standoff may be the best for us, the whole team and I would include free and on the path to reform Western Ukraine.

Would this reward Russia?  No, the fact they would still hold some of Ukraine they wrongly seized is just a fact of life which is a four letter word and we have to accept it.  

This time is not now but I could see it in about 6-12 months, keep the aid and support flowing but behind the scenes begin to think about what and where a Western Ukraine would be acceptable.  If this happens, China and other aggressors will see a greatly diminished Russia, a Western coalition that held firm and likely a price paid for some territory that was not worth it.

Clark are you saying that there is a chance that we should've not been in this fiasco with Ukraine in the first place?

 

[uhhello]

11 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

I hear what you are saying and don't think we should cut off or cut down on the amount of aid now but.... there might be a point where the Ukrainians are willing to fight further using our money, weapons, support, etc... and it may be that we have done enough, they have done enough and just declaring a ceasefire and entering decades of a tense standoff may be the best for us, the whole team and I would include free and on the path to reform Western Ukraine.

Would this reward Russia?  No, the fact they would still hold some of Ukraine they wrongly seized is just a fact of life which is a four letter word and we have to accept it.  

This time is not now but I could see it in about 6-12 months, keep the aid and support flowing but behind the scenes begin to think about what and where a Western Ukraine would be acceptable.  If this happens, China and other aggressors will see a greatly diminished Russia, a Western coalition that held firm and likely a price paid for some territory that was not worth it.

Yup.  Def going to be the "tricky" part if they get some momentum going.  

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

Clark are you saying that there is a chance that we should've not been in this fiasco with Ukraine in the first place?

 

I don't read that in his response at all. 

[Clark Griswold]

Clark are you saying that there is a chance that we should've not been in this fiasco with Ukraine in the first place?
 

No not at all
I think there is just a point where in the long term it is better for us and the Ukrainians that accepting some of their territory was lost is better than further war and the cost of further fighting.
Not a fan at all of Russia or Putin.
Free Ukraine will need large long term aid, I’m cool with that, it’s just that at some point if it can be had, ceasefire and focus on rebuilding.
I’m also okay with a surprise deployment of 25k US boots on Free Ukraine with no end date to prevent Putin from trying round 2


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[HossHarris]

4 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

No not at all
I think there is just a point where in the long term it is better for us and the Ukrainians that accepting some of their territory was lost is better than further war and the cost of further fighting.
Not a fan at all of Russia or Putin.
Free Ukraine will need large long term aid, I’m cool with that, it’s just that at some point if it can be had, ceasefire and focus on rebuilding.
I’m also okay with a surprise deployment of 25k US boots on Free Ukraine with no end date to prevent Putin from trying round 2


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Ain’t no party like a free Ukraine party ….

[filthy_liar]

7 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

No not at all
I think there is just a point where in the long term it is better for us and the Ukrainians that accepting some of their territory was lost is better than further war and the cost of further fighting.
Not a fan at all of Russia or Putin.
Free Ukraine will need large long term aid, I’m cool with that, it’s just that at some point if it can be had, ceasefire and focus on rebuilding.
I’m also okay with a surprise deployment of 25k US boots on Free Ukraine with no end date to prevent Putin from trying round 2

Wow.  Didn't expect that from you.  You've been had.  Talk to some Black Sea desk officers and FAOs about Ukraine from about 2000 up until Russia invaded.  Ukraine is one of the most crooked and corrupt nations on earth.  I understand an active duty person flapping the party line, but dude, do you really believe we should put 25K Americans into that cesspool country that exploited America and NATO for everything it could? And do you really think we are putting a dent into the Russian threat?  They have nukes.  Ukraine doesn't matter just like Afghanistan didn't matter in '89.  The Russians still have nukes.  Let them take that corrupt shithole, then they will really be bleeding ruples and blood trying to control it.  You've been had.

[Clark Griswold]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

Wow.  Didn't expect that from you.  You've been had.  Talk to some Black Sea desk officers and FAOs about Ukraine from about 2000 up until Russia invaded.  Ukraine is one of the most crooked and corrupt nations on earth.  I understand an active duty person flapping the party line, but dude, do you really believe we should put 25K Americans into that cesspool country that exploited America and NATO for everything it could? And do you really think we are putting a dent into the Russian threat?  They have nukes.  Ukraine doesn't matter just like Afghanistan didn't matter in '89.  The Russians still have nukes.  Let them take that corrupt shithole, then they will really be bleeding ruples and blood trying to control it.  You've been had.

Will respectfully disagree and my position is based not on nativity on the actual nature of the Ukranian government / society but on the successful historical examples of South Korea and Taiwan, both of which were fairly nasty dictatorships we supported and remained engaged with for decades in a slow, positive and ultimately successful transition to modernity and a western influenced, stable, democratic societies.

I have no illusions about a post bellum Western Ukraine project and the difficulty of it being next door to Russia that would be doing everything just short of kinetic actions to undermine this new nation and I have no doubt that eradicating the scrouge of corruption when so many in the Western political classes are eager to personally profit from it would be exceptionally difficult but IMHO it is part of the long difficult road to eventually incorporating the Orthodox World into the West.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Clark Griswold

[Boomer6]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

 Ukraine doesn't matter just like Afghanistan didn't matter in '89.  The Russians still have nukes.  Let them take that corrupt shithole, then they will really be bleeding ruples and blood trying to control it.  You've been had.

We supported the savages in ‘89. Not all savages, but they’d definitely stone a dude for sucking dick, much less a girl reading a book. If supporting them helped in some small part to bring down the Berlin Wall then hurray for us. The Ukrainian government may be eastern-euro trash but I don’t see them flying planes into buildings (at least not US ones) anytime soon. Who knows, maybe Ukraine will be the spark that gets Putin drawn and quartered and brings Russia into the light to help us combat China. Just as Clancy intended.

[pawnman]

9 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

Wow.  Didn't expect that from you.  You've been had.  Talk to some Black Sea desk officers and FAOs about Ukraine from about 2000 up until Russia invaded.  Ukraine is one of the most crooked and corrupt nations on earth.  I understand an active duty person flapping the party line, but dude, do you really believe we should put 25K Americans into that cesspool country that exploited America and NATO for everything it could? And do you really think we are putting a dent into the Russian threat?  They have nukes.  Ukraine doesn't matter just like Afghanistan didn't matter in '89.  The Russians still have nukes.  Let them take that corrupt shithole, then they will really be bleeding ruples and blood trying to control it.  You've been had.

A near-peer has shown their ass on the global stage. They're hauling out WWII-era tanks to replace their losses. They've united the Western world behind them, to the point where NATO is less dependent on them for energy than any time in the last 30 years. They convinced the Scandinavian countries to finally join NATO.

In what world do you look at Russia's current state and say "eh, they haven't lost anything"?

Sure, they have nukes. So does Pakistan. Do you lie awake at night worrying about Pakistan? Having seen the state of their conventional military, I wonder if they even have the capacity to launch the nukes or if they've been picked clean of electronics and scrap aluminum. 

[Pooter]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/authorities-identify-massachusetts-air-national-guard-member-person/story?id=98558673
 

Airman snuffy really f-ed up this time. I think this EPR might be a referral guys

[Pooter]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/jack-teixeira-massachusetts-air-national-guard-member-accused-secret-pentagon-documents-leak-dighton/
 

this one actually identifies the dude

[uhhello]

Crazy that it was an intel guy.  That never happens.

[FLEA]

Quote

The disclosure has raised diplomatic issues that U.S. intelligence has been spying on its allies as well as its adversaries. Asked about whether he was concerned about the leak, Biden played down its potential impact.

"I'm concerned that it happened," Biden said. "But there is nothing contemporaneous that I'm aware of that is of great consequence."

Of course he's not concerned about the consequence of the leaked information.... if we were concerned that mishandling TOP SECRET had grave consequences we would have more questions about the documents found in his Delaware offices and home..... What about the information found in Trump's home? Was that of great consequence? And if the information wasn't of great consequence should it even be labeled TOP SECRET since by definition TOP SECRET is information of exceptionally grave consequence to US National Security?