Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[pawnman]

32 minutes ago, Prozac said:

I dunno man. Kinda hard to tell a sovereign nation to stop fighting for every inch of territory that’s been annexed by an aggressor. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for the next 20 years, & tie up the Red Army in the process, I say let ‘em & provide whatever weapons are reasonable for that end. 

I agree. 

If China invaded the west coast, at what point do you think the US would negotiate a settlement that gave up Hawaii, Alaska, California, Oregon, and Washington? 

[TreeA10]

23 minutes ago, pawnman said:

I agree. 

If China invaded the west coast, at what point do you think the US would negotiate a settlement that gave up Hawaii, Alaska, California, Oregon, and Washington? 

Hawaii and Alaska???  Hell no. California, Oregon, and Washington.... Can I get back to you on that?

[FLEA]

2 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

Hawaii and Alaska???  Hell no. California, Oregon, and Washington.... Can I get back to you on that?

Id want to keep Washington as well. Seattle is, well, its seen better days. But the Peugot Sound and northern cascades are still legendary outdoor wonders. 

[Biff_T]

31 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Id want to keep Washington as well. Seattle is, well, its seen better days. But the Peugot Sound and northern cascades are still legendary outdoor wonders. 

I'll fight for Orange County lol.   Or maybe just move to Costa Rica?  There are plenty of Chinese and Chinese Americans already living here in OC and LA.   Red China would probably do a better job taking care the homeless problem.  Lol.   

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Biff_T said:

I'll fight for Orange County lol.   Or maybe just move to Costa Rica?  There are plenty of Chinese and Chinese Americans already living here in OC and LA.   Red China would probably do a better job taking care the homeless problem.  Lol.   

I mean can we just get down to the county level and do some quid quo pro's? Id probably give China some east coast cities as well if they want em.....

[dream big]

3 hours ago, Biff_T said:

I'll fight for Orange County lol.   Or maybe just move to Costa Rica?  There are plenty of Chinese and Chinese Americans already living here in OC and LA.   Red China would probably do a better job taking care the homeless problem.  Lol.   

And keep Tahoe, Yosemite, and Reno areas. We could just give them everything West if I-5 and call it a day. What a great deal to avoid WW3. 

[Clark Griswold]

I dunno man. Kinda hard to tell a sovereign nation to stop fighting for every inch of territory that’s been annexed by an aggressor. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight for the next 20 years, & tie up the Red Army in the process, I say let ‘em & provide whatever weapons are reasonable for that end. 

We don’t have to tell them to stop but we don’t have to supply and support them if we determine it’s not in our interest.
Just as I think we should be concerned about the longer term of Ukraine we need to be concerned about what Russia will be after the conflict is ended.
That’s not because I love the current brutal authoritarian regime of Russia but because it could get worse. If it gets to be an internal power struggle, civil war, instability… the successor to Putin could be this dude:

https://news.yahoo.com/owner-wagner-mercenary-group-could-195500949.html

Methinks a weakened but not delirious and crazily dangerous Russia should be our goal. I think the lesson of Iraq should give us pause about gleefully toppling and radically destabilizing authoritarian regimes, particularly ones with 7000 nukes plus a 6900 other WMD / advanced military capabilities.


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[Guest nsplayr]

 

Glad the Russians (at least the ones in their embassy in Sweden!) are fully on board with remembering that Crimea is part of Ukraine 🤣

I would recommend whoever posted this ask for ground-floor accommodations whenever traveling from here on out. Hotel windows are so easy to fall out of!

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

 

Glad the Russians (at least the ones in their embassy in Sweden!) are fully on board with remembering that Crimea is part of Ukraine 🤣

I would recommend whoever posted this ask for ground-floor accommodations whenever traveling from here on out. Hotel windows are so easy to fall out of!

It's not the fall that kills em, its the bullet in the back of the head 

[gearhog]

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, torqued said:

Were you bitching just as much when we maxed out the credit cards every other year for less consequential shit?  

[gearhog]

7 hours ago, uhhello said:

Were you bitching just as much when we maxed out the credit cards every other year for less consequential shit?  

I think you're accusing me of "not bitching" about less important shit as if it were an insult, but who tf knows...

[DirkDiggler]

  Pretty intense video of a Ukrainian unit assaulting a Russian held town.

[pawnman]

11 hours ago, uhhello said:

Were you bitching just as much when we maxed out the credit cards every other year for less consequential shit?  

Guessing he's also upset that the bonus is too low, the Air Force is too small, and that we aren't buying enough new aircraft. 

[uhhello]

4 hours ago, torqued said:

I think you're accusing me of "not bitching" about less important shit as if it were an insult, but who tf knows...

Debt is debt right?  Whether its going to defeat one of our long time "enemies" or its going to do a study on the long term harm to the mosquito population in Dubuque county California, it's still debt.  It's not like adding to the debt is anything new for eiher side when they are in charge.  

[gearhog]

4 hours ago, pawnman said:

Guessing he's also upset that the bonus is too low, the Air Force is too small, and that we aren't buying enough new aircraft. 

You're fabricating false positions and attributing them to me while admitting you don't have sufficient evidence to know if they're true. You guys suck at insults. 😄

4 hours ago, uhhello said:

Debt is debt right?  Whether its going to defeat one of our long time "enemies" or its going to do a study on the long term harm to the mosquito population in Dubuque county California, it's still debt.  It's not like adding to the debt is anything new for eiher side when they are in charge.  

Wow, you're smarter than you initially seem. Nothing in your post is false. You have a keen grasp of the obvious.

[DirkDiggler]

What Could Come Next? Assessing the Putin Regime's Stability and Western Policy Options (csis.org)

  Pretty long but interesting read/analysis about possible outcomes post Ukraine/Russian war on the Russian side.  Don't know that I agree with everything the author postulates but hopefully our higher ups are thinking about this type of stuff.

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, DirkDiggler said:

What Could Come Next? Assessing the Putin Regime's Stability and Western Policy Options (csis.org)

  Pretty long but interesting read/analysis about possible outcomes post Ukraine/Russian war on the Russian side.  Don't know that I agree with everything the author postulates but hopefully our higher ups are thinking about this type of stuff.

Rest easy.  The best and brightest that helped plan and execute the flawless withdrawal from AFG are being hand picked for the task force assembled to game plan future Russia. 

[gearhog]

Let's arm our foes with new US military equipment, and send Ukraine their old shit equipment. Another brilliant idea.

"The US intends to take Soviet weapons for Ukraine from Latin American countries such as Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela, as long as these countries replace Soviet weapons with American ones. -US Army General Laura Richardson"

https://twitter.com/PadreEmerito/status/1616755950819618822?s=20&t=KG0N9myLOcCIPwWjZ0Nttg

 

 

[brabus]

[Clark Griswold]

Let's arm our foes with new US military equipment, and send Ukraine their old shit equipment. Another brilliant idea.
"The US intends to take Soviet weapons for Ukraine from Latin American countries such as Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela, as long as these countries replace Soviet weapons with American ones. -US Army General Laura Richardson"
https://twitter.com/PadreEmerito/status/1616755950819618822?s=20&t=KG0N9myLOcCIPwWjZ0Nttg
 
 

I’m guessing they want that old broke Soviet shit for the spare parts / ammo but that’s giving the benefit of the doubt generously
But considering the customers of Soviet now Russian gear, which of these countries are gonna burn that bridge with Russia when they don’t really like us that much?
Does she expect Cuba, Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc..really to cozy up to the Yankees after they piss off the Russians
#2dimensionalthinking


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[McJay Pilot]

This seems familiar… can’t quite place it… nahh, we didn’t ever experience this while deployed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-new-ukraine-general-focused-on-soldiers-shaving-uk-intel-2023-1?amp

[filthy_liar]

On 1/13/2023 at 8:00 AM, FourFans130 said:

Beyond that, I study facts and history.  The American way of international relations since WWII has been to make sure other country's problems stay in other countries.  You call Ukraine a quagmire for Russia.  It wouldn't be a quagmire without US involvement.  If you don't understand that, go read about Chinese involvement in Vietnam, or US involvement in 1980's Afghanistan, or the French Foreign Legion, or how Rome ran it's empire.  History is littered with precedent.  The reason America is what it is today is because we (typically) refuse to wait until the fight comes to us.

I cherry picked a quote from your post, which overall I thought was outstanding and I agree with.  But read that right up there.  Since WWII other country's problems have not stayed in other countries.  Heck, they've directly come to this country.  And the last sentence of that quote...well, America sure as hell isn't what it is today what it was before 9/11.  

This thought will be wildly unpopular among fire breathing military folks, but what if we just stay the out of other country's problems to the extent possible?  Not to the extent that the military industrial machine is telling us, which is everyone on the planet is a threat and we need to build a bigger military and all the drippings that come with that, but to the extent that it affects our daily lives.  Russia doesn't impact my life at all.  Neither does Ukraine.  em both.  Let them fight it out and let the western Europeans worry about that "crisis."

And to the "well if you don't know that Russia is an existential threat and its all over JWICS so I don't know what to tell you" crowd...yea, there are so many existential threats in every domain on JWICS that we would need the world's GDP to fund a defense against it all.  Its a good thing intel troops don't make it to the rank of CSAF.  At least not yet.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

I cherry picked a quote from your post, which overall I thought was outstanding and I agree with.  But read that right up there.  Since WWII other country's problems have not stayed in other countries.  Heck, they've directly come to this country.  And the last sentence of that quote...well, America sure as hell isn't what it is today what it was before 9/11.  

This thought will be wildly unpopular among fire breathing military folks, but what if we just stay the out of other country's problems to the extent possible?  Not to the extent that the military industrial machine is telling us, which is everyone on the planet is a threat and we need to build a bigger military and all the drippings that come with that, but to the extent that it affects our daily lives.  Russia doesn't impact my life at all.  Neither does Ukraine.  em both.  Let them fight it out and let the western Europeans worry about that "crisis."

And to the "well if you don't know that Russia is an existential threat and its all over JWICS so I don't know what to tell you" crowd...yea, there are so many existential threats in every domain on JWICS that we would need the world's GDP to fund a defense against it all.  Its a good thing intel troops don't make it to the rank of CSAF.  At least not yet.

What do you consider a current international threat to the USA? Something that, if not addressed, will result in a weaker America.

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

Russia doesn't impact my life at all.  Neither does Ukraine.  em both.  Let them fight it out and let the western Europeans worry about that "crisis."

Let me boil this down.  Russia, Ukraine, and Europe DO impact your life.  You not realizing that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  Apparently I don't have the right verbiage to explain the 'how' in a way that you'll choose to hear, but let me put it this way: If you drink coffee, wear clothes, drive a car, or use the internet, those countries impact your life.  Ignorance is not an excuse and it's certainly not a defense.

Edited January 24, 2023 by FourFans130