Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Lockjaw]

Short Ukrainian produced documentary about the helicopter resupply/CASEVAC runs in/out of Mariupol. All the interviewees are ground force guys, but there is some pretty good footage taken from the helos starting at around 21:00.

Here

[SurelySerious]

Bro, I was called a simp for Putin. 

Because you trash anyone who disagrees with you about Putin being in the wrong…and you keep reinforcing your inability to not be a total jackass on this topic with anyone who disagrees with you.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

Because you trash anyone who disagrees with you about Putin being in the wrong…and you keep reinforcing your inability to not be a total jackass on this topic with anyone who disagrees with you.

1.) I never said Putin wasn't in the wrong. I said he was working toward his country's interests. I've also said American holds some responsibility for aggression. That's a big difference. I don't like Putin, I don't particularly find him an admirable person and I generally detest dictators. Doesn't mean I don't think they can behave rationally which they often do to protect their power. Your inability to deduce nuance in this is telling. But I guess this is another "hoorah with us or against us freedom fries" issue for some isn't it? You think you're being absolutist pro American but all I see is people who are willing to squander limited national resources on foreign citizens instead of protecting the rights, security and interests of those at home. 

2.) You're the one being hostile. I haven't been active here for quite sometime, deliberately allowing time and space for cooler heads; all I did was post highlights of a dudes bio. Somehow that deserves name calling? Self reflect.... Maybe you need to take a timeout. Instead of professionally approaching it and saying "I'll just take this at face value" you decide to read into it and sling insults. 

[DirkDiggler]

  I for one am glad that my tax dollars are directly contributing to Russians burning to death in exploding combat vehicles.  Example above, St. Javelin doing work.

[FLEA]

5 minutes ago, DirkDiggler said:

  I for one am glad that my tax dollars are directly contributing to Russians burning to death in exploding combat vehicles.  Example above, St. Javelin doing work.

I have no problem providing equipment and materiel resource. We are committed at this point and that can't change. For better or for worse, the security in Europe is permanently altered and changed, and the most likely outcome is over the next decade we recede into another Cold War as Russia and China push new multi national ties to collaborate power against the West. In fact since the invasion became imminent, proxy war is the strategy I've advocated and I've repeated that multiple times, seemingly ignored each time I say it. Our opportunity for diplomacy ended in January. 

What I object to is this idea that we can act wontonly and brazen under the misbelief that the US or NATO is some undefeatable military power and that people who disagree with our world view need to go or we will kick them off the planet. It's not reality. I can't keep the FSS open four Thursdays a month, HTF am I going to attend state power warfare. 

But I thought we had already moved passed this and largely agreed that proxy war with politically numbed accelerated contributions was the best strategy given the situation. 

 

[SurelySerious]

1.) I never said Putin wasn't in the wrong. I said he was working toward his country's interests. I've also said American holds some responsibility for aggression. That's a big difference. I don't like Putin, I don't particularly find him an admirable person and I generally detest dictators. Doesn't mean I don't think they can behave rationally which they often do to protect their power. Your inability to deduce nuance in this is telling. But I guess this is another "hoorah with us or against us freedom fries" issue for some isn't it? You think you're being absolutist pro American but all I see is people who are willing to squander limited national resources on foreign citizens instead of protecting the rights, security and interests of those at home. 
2.) You're the one being hostile. I haven't been active here for quite sometime, deliberately allowing time and space for cooler heads; all I did was post highlights of a dudes bio. Somehow that deserves name calling? Self reflect.... Maybe you need to take a timeout. Instead of professionally approaching it and saying "I'll just take this at face value" you decide to read into it and sling insults. 

You can try convincing yourself of your moral superiority with fabricated truths like this post, but it doesn’t change what you have actually said and demonstrated.

[FLEA]

Just now, SurelySerious said:

You can try convincing yourself of your moral superiority with fabricated truths like this post, but it doesn’t change what you have actually said and demonstrated.

Not convincing myself of anything. And if I have said something that was taken by you to be so hurtful that you feel compelled to be this defensive than I'm truly sorry and I wish to re-baseline the professionalism. 

 

That said, I legitimately think you should reflect on your own vitriol which I've often felt was unfair and politically motivated as a means to uphold your points without a serious attempt to engage in a more meaningful or complex discussion. 

[Majestik Møøse]

Well I can’t be alone in thinking a new Cold War sure would be fun. It’ll most certainly get us back into actual space exploration.

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Well I can’t be alone in thinking a new Cold War sure would be fun. It’ll most certainly get us back into actual space exploration.

Side note: Had this exact conversation with my 14 year old yesterday as we watched an episode of “For All Mankind”. Great show for those who haven’t seen it. Posits the Soviet’s beat us to the moon & the space race heats up big time, leading to massive & rapid technological development. Maybe some great power competition is good for us. On the flip side, the renewed threat of mutual nuclear annihilation kinda sucks. 

[O Face]

31 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Side note: Had this exact conversation with my 14 year old yesterday as we watched an episode of “For All Mankind”. Great show for those who haven’t seen it. Posits the Soviet’s beat us to the moon & the space race heats up big time, leading to massive & rapid technological development. Maybe some great power competition is good for us. On the flip side, the renewed threat of mutual nuclear annihilation kinda sucks. 

Not to quibble, but after watching Russia’s absolute buffoonery on the battlefield daily, I sometimes wonder how “mutual” the nuclear destruction would be…not that I’m advocating finding out, but curious. 

[Prozac]

57 minutes ago, O Face said:

Not to quibble, but after watching Russia’s absolute buffoonery on the battlefield daily, I sometimes wonder how “mutual” the nuclear destruction would be…not that I’m advocating finding out, but curious. 

Yeah, me too, but they can have a high failure rate and still get a lot of warheads in the air. Not a discussion for this board but I often wonder what our non-kinetic capes are WRT the period between Putin giving the order and missiles in the air. 

[DirkDiggler]

https://apple.news/Aihp0C36kQ1aTjWfBO2UYCg
 

also looks like we’re pushing the Ukrainians more HIMARS, which I think is very positive, wish we would’ve done this far earlier in the war.

[McJay Pilot]

Another fine example of high trained Russian crews with top of the line equipment…

Huzzah!

[DirkDiggler]

  Good to see HIMARS getting work done, hopefully they’ll start accurately putting Russian pigs in the dirt.

[DirkDiggler]

  Possible results of HIMARS action.

[uhhello]

7 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

  Possible results of HIMARS action.

Man, nothing like having a relaxing cigar on the balcony on Bastion when those fuckers would light off.

[TheNewGazmo]

Man, nothing like having a relaxing cigar on the balcony on Bastion when those ers would light off.

I remember them firing them off at Kandyland as well. Always made me wonder what we were actually shooting at.

[Prosuper]

I'm guessing the Russians have a pretty lax BMI measurement. Obese retired Russian general called to fight in Ukraine: report (nypost.com)

 

[CaptainMorgan]

I'm guessing the Russians have a pretty lax BMI measurement. Obese retired Russian general called to fight in Ukraine: report (nypost.com)
 

His food requirements are going to put an even bigger strain on their logistics.


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[FLEA]

7 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:

His food requirements are going to put an even bigger strain on their logistics.


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Maybe their plan is he will eat all of the Ukranians food and try to starve them all? 

Does Putin even know this guy is on his side? He may be pissed Putin lost McDonalds for Russia. 

[Clayton Bigsby]

6 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:

I remember them firing them off at Kandyland as well. Always made me wonder what we were actually shooting at.

Ever read "The Heart of Darkness"?  The parallels are unreal.  Joseph Conrad's novel about colonial Africa, late 1800s I think.  I had to read it for classes a couple times, once in high school and twice in college.

"For a time I would feel I belonged still to a world of straightforward facts; but the feeling would not last long. Something would turn up to scare it away. Once, I remember, we came upon a man-of-war anchored off the coast. There wasn’t even a shed there, and she was shelling the bush. It appears the French had one of their wars going on thereabouts. Her ensign dropped limp like a rag; the muzzles of the long six-inch guns stuck out all over the low hull; the greasy, slimy swell swung her up lazily and let her down, swaying her thin masts. In the empty immensity of earth, sky, and water, there she was, incomprehensible, firing into a continent. Pop, would go one of the six-inch guns; a small flame would dart and vanish, a little white smoke would disappear, a tiny projectile would give a feeble screech—and nothing happened. Nothing could happen. There was a touch of insanity in the proceeding, a sense of lugubrious drollery in the sight; and it was not dissipated by somebody on board assuring me earnestly there was a camp of natives—he called them enemies!—hidden out of sight somewhere."

Anyway that book inspired a couple follow-ons, the classic Apocalypse Now, the newer sci-fi movie Ad Astra, and a video game 10 years back or so called 'Spec-Ops: The Line'.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Clayton Bigsby

[Swizzle]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

Maybe their plan is he will eat all of the Ukranians food and try to starve them all? 

Does Putin even know this guy is on his side? He may be pissed Putin lost McDonalds for Russia. 

We know where all the grain is going now...

[DirkDiggler]

  Hopefully this is HIMARS continuing to get shit done.

[DirkDiggler]

 

[DirkDiggler]

Another ammo dump leveled.