Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Lawman]

This is what happens when we spend the last 2 decades (and personally a bunch of days in OIF/OEF) focusing on the COIN fight and not near peer.  I do recall a conversation I had with an 82nd ABN E-7 Ranger more than a few years ago when I first heard about the Javelin. He told me the Javelin is no joke and gives a lot of teeth to the infantry that wasn't there before. I can't believe in hindsight how prophetic it was. Copy that. More Javelins

It’s also a suitable Ad Hoc anti air system.

You won’t hit anything fast or high with it, but against Low slow flyers like helicopters or drones it’s been remarkably effective as a tool.


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[Prozac]

17 minutes ago, goingkinetic said:

Kennedy a Democrat stood up to Kruschev. Whats next Finland? What if we just defended Christian, Capitalist, democracies. No we’d rather defend muslim, monarchies with human rights abuse issues. Grow a pair. People that are against fighting are DUM dumb.

The difference is that Iraq and Afghanistan were relatively low risk conflicts that were a nice place to go test our new toys and not take a lot of losses. It’s a different thing altogether when two nuclear armed superpowers (at least that’s how Russia looks at itself) go head to head. The risk profile and the potential for a catastrophic miscalculation go WAAAYYY up. 

[hindsight2020]

1 hour ago, Lawman said:

Praise unto thee…


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*organ crescendos* Aaaah-Aaaaah-aaahhh-Ahhhhh-mmmmmen.

Slava Ukraini.

[goingkinetic]

20 minutes ago, Prozac said:

The difference is that Iraq and Afghanistan were relatively low risk conflicts that were a nice place to go test our new toys and not take a lot of losses. It’s a different thing altogether when two nuclear armed superpowers (at least that’s how Russia looks at itself) go head to head. The risk profile and the potential for a catastrophic miscalculation go WAAAYYY up. 

Cuba is a lot different. What did madelne albright Say.

[goingkinetic]

Russian forces look like clowns. Give me a jet!!!

[Prosuper]

8 hours ago, hockeydork said:

Got it.

My inclination initially was that the Ukrainians would maybe have somewhat of an interesting advantage if Russia did control the skies ENTIRELY, because than they could basically shoot at anything and everything with ground based systems, and know that if it was in the air, it is most definitely hostile. Would be interesting to know how many aircraft being shot down are from land based systems/success rates of the Stinger. Helo squadron shows up to protect advancing armour, Ukrainian's pop off a couple stingers, helicopters scatter/leave/some get hit, than the Javelins/NLAWs come out and the 3 million dollar tanks get crippled by a Ukranian school teacher with a 100k missile on their shoulder. Awesome.  

IMO, Putin has dug himself into a very deep hole. He wants Ukraine, but he's grossly miscalculated how much they don't want him. He was banking on the intimidation factor, which has back fired now that he is losing valuable assets bogged down by cheap & easy to use missiles. He can't leave without looking like a failure, even tho he already looks like one, and if he stays he'll keep bleeding money/troops/valuable tanks/helos so long as Javelins and NLAWS are flowing, and thank god I don't see us stopping that supply.  He could take the territory by leveling it, but if he levels it, than getting it doesn't mean much, does it? I don't see this ending well for him, this ego boosting operation is a total backfire. Also, he really sucks at hockey. I thought I was bad.......

P.S. - If any Russian pilots read these forums, it ain't worth it...

If Putin decides to level Ukraine, he dooms himself and Russia as well, they are the breadbasket of Europe, Russia will starve. American farmers will be taking land out of CIP and plant everywhere to try and feed the world if the bank will give them credit to buy seed, diesel, and fertilizer.

[goingkinetic]

Dudes, petty sure sure I didnt say the last post. Whats the max limit on the main gear? Of the F -16

[BADFNZ]

8 minutes ago, goingkinetic said:

Dudes, petty sure sure I didnt say the last post. Whats the max limit on the main gear? Of the F -16

Not today Vlad

[arg]

If I could only hear the phrase "In the sight, arm the gun" again.

 

[HeloDude]

10 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Long response…

I appreciate you taking the time to respond—good debate.  Agree to disagree.

Back to the Ukraine stuff.

[goingkinetic]

Jusk fing with you

1. Kennedy stood up to commies. War vet with isoprep

2. Don’t be a /pansy depending of course on what offends you.

3. Madeline albright said paraphrase “Whats the point of a military if we wont use it.”

4. Tell me what the red line is Sweden?

[goingkinetic]

What’s the line Finland, Sweden? In Red Dawn we were isolated…

[BashiChuni]

it was slightly amusing at first, but this troll is getting old

[goingkinetic]

3 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

it was slightly amusing at first, but this troll is getting old

Seriously, what’s the line? That’s the real question. Let’s just name ourselves the artist formally known as the leader of the free world. PM if you think I’m trolling.

[DirkDiggler]

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/27/want-to-go-fight-for-ukraine-heres-what-to-do/

  Step by step guide for anyone looking to volunteer.

[chase]

While trying to update my 80s knowledge of Soviet  Russian Armor i stumbled across a list of Russian and Ukrainian losses:

(Take it with a grain of salt)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/27/want-to-go-fight-for-ukraine-heres-what-to-do/

  Step by step guide for anyone looking to volunteer.

Just be sure to fill out that high-risk activity form before submitting your leave request. 

[ecugringo]

11 hours ago, fire4effect said:

I know right? How hard is it to paint a Ukranian Flag on the side of a cruise missile? Hey Vladimir, wasn't us.

Highway of death 2.0.

[ClearedHot]

Right out of Red Dawn, an abandoned Russian modern T-72B3 with "Glory to Ukraine" painted on hit.

 

Stingers have taken a toll.

 

 

Putin is throwing submunitions into urban areas, almost certainly a war crime.

 

 

 

[ClearedHot]

FWIW - Longtime Ukrainian SU-27 demo pilot shot down and killed by an S400.

Ukraine Mourns Death Of Former Su-27 Flanker Display Pilot Col. Oksanchenko Shot Down Near Kyiv

[DirkDiggler]

3 hours ago, pawnman said:

Just be sure to fill out that high-risk activity form before submitting your leave request. 

Yeah, would be more for anybody who's separated/retired.  That would be a weird conversation with your commander most likely followed by "no......." 

[DirkDiggler]

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/03/01/the_empire_strikes_back_819310.html

  Interesting article, towards the end exploring the possibility of Russia attempting to escalate on NATO's southern flank.

[Clark Griswold]

Good podcast on Russian military performance so far in war

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/war-on-the-rocks/id682478916?i=1000552446157

BLUF - they (Russians) are holding back their full capability (artillery, air, other fires) to not totally wreck the place but as that restraint is leading to slow progress to victory the gloves might come off


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[Sua Sponte]

31 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

Good podcast on Russian military performance so far in war

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/war-on-the-rocks/id682478916?i=1000552446157

BLUF - they (Russians) are holding back their full capability (artillery, air, other fires) to not totally wreck the place but as that restraint is leading to slow progress to victory the gloves might come off


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Are their troops surrendering without fighting, texting their mom’s saying they initially thought it was an exercise, and running out of fuel in their equipment part of that strategy?

[FLEA]

1 minute ago, Sua Sponte said:

Are their troops surrendering without fighting, texting their mom’s saying they initially thought it was an exercise, and running out of fuel in their equipment part of that strategy?

The conscripts might be but professional soldiers are a different beast. 

Something I realized working in Korea is we tend to forget the pros and cons of conscription in the US. Not all conscripts will soldier. It's a numbers game. You pull thousands of them expecting only half to be useful. The other half are bullet sponges.