The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

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We wouldn’t really be talking about this stuff if the dems and this administration weren’t so full retard on all the grooming homo/trans stuff. I’ve never seen a more illogical fanaticism for such unhealthy, immoral, and dangerous ideology. There is nothing beneficial to the individuals involved or the society that allows and fosters this type of insanity. And, it’s downright destructive for the kids caught up in the madness. Heck ole demented Joe and that whack job spokesperson were blaming 9 year old kids in Nashville for their own death at the hands of a trannie. Saying the poor trannies had to respond since all of us are trying to kill them.

I know we’re a constitutional republic and that allows complete individual liberty, which i wholly support and swore to defend, but that doesn’t mean the government should encourage and incentivize unhealthy and destructive behavior or ideology. And it def doesn’t mean we should let adults screw up our kids.

[Day Man]

4 hours ago, Smokin said:

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Great, but you still haven't answered my question. Saying "America sucks" because less people believe in an invisible man in the sky that gives kids cancer is just an opinion, even if it is held by multiple people.

Are you insinuating that countries with a higher percentage of the population that subscribe to a judeo-christian faith are better?

[FourFans]

59 minutes ago, Day Man said:

Great, but you still haven't answered my question. Saying "America sucks" because less people believe in an invisible man in the sky that gives kids cancer is just an opinion, even if it is held by multiple people.

Are you insinuating that countries with a higher percentage of the population that subscribe to a judeo-christian faith are better?

Did you actually read his post?

[Smokin]

2 hours ago, Day Man said:

Great, but you still haven't answered my question. Saying "America sucks" because less people believe in an invisible man in the sky that gives kids cancer is just an opinion, even if it is held by multiple people.

Are you insinuating that countries with a higher percentage of the population that subscribe to a judeo-christian faith are better?

As a Christian, yes, but that's not my point. 

China is built on a communist ideology.  Converting China from a communist (and therefore atheist) ideology to a Christian one would undermine everything it is built on and likely make it collapse, especially if that was largely done in one person's lifetime.  We are just doing the opposite (going from Christian to atheist).  The United States surviving (at least in any form that even remotely resembles our current one) that quick transition as a country/culture/power seems unlikely.

[Day Man]

2 hours ago, FourFans said:

Did you actually read his post?

i did...he quoted me where I asked to specify metrics to illustrate his point, and he didn't.

56 minutes ago, Smokin said:

As a Christian, yes, but that's not my point.

ok, cool. Let's use Honduras as an (extreme) example. By what metric are they better than America?

58 minutes ago, Smokin said:

China is built on a communist ideology.  Converting China from a communist (and therefore atheist) ideology to a Christian one would undermine everything it is built on and likely make it collapse, especially if that was largely done in one person's lifetime.  We are just doing the opposite (going from Christian to atheist).  The United States surviving (at least in any form that even remotely resembles our current one) that quick transition as a country/culture/power seems unlikely.

What you call conversion, I call progress. We have just about the entirety of human knowledge at our fingertips, so for someone to question some religious parable and realize it just doesn't add up (Noah's Ark?)...that's ok with me.

Thanks for the discussion.🍻

[ViperMan]

10 hours ago, kaputt said:

One simply cannot support women and also support trans men competing in women’s sports. It doesn’t matter how you feel about transgender people, it is pure discrimination to allow a biological man to compete against a woman. There is nothing more cut and dry if you believe in science and fairness. 

I ran Division 1 track; our shittiest dude was faster than our NCAA Championship caliber female. If he had decided he wanted to be a woman, he would have won the NCAA Championship the next day.

It’s also not a knock against women that they aren’t as fast or as strong as a man. Trust me, no one gave a crap that our slowest guy on the team was still faster than our best woman. Everyone simply thought our best woman was a hell of an athlete, because she absolutely was. 

You know how the USA Women's soccer team gets better? They play 15-year-old boys' teams. And they get smoked by them.

[Danger41]

6 hours ago, Day Man said:

 

What you call conversion, I call progress. We have just about the entirety of human knowledge at our fingertips, so for someone to question some religious parable and realize it just doesn't add up (Noah's Ark?)...that's ok with me.

Thanks for the discussion.🍻

I’m absolutely not trying to start a religious debate (full disclosure I’m a practicing Christian) but this type of comment always intrigues me. Every phase of humanity (at least Western cultures post-Renaissance) has thought they were the peak of human knowledge and understanding. Time and time again, we’ve proven ourselves wrong and changed our thoughts on things. Hell, look at the progress of aviation where the peak of scientific knowledge and thought basically proved it was impossible or we couldn’t pass the sound barrier, etc. 

My $0.02 is that I think we were all blessed by our creator with the ability to think critically and that is a blessing, not something to be stomped out. Having said that, I don’t understand why kids get cancer, why war happens, why MyEval keeps coming back, etc. Whether it’s a divine test (story of Job), a lesson (rain falls on the just and unjust alike), or just a bad deal (Psalm 73:3 & 13…basically says bad people have good things and what’s the point of living right when I get bad things), I truly don’t know. And I’m sure non-Christians will dunk on me for this, but I find peace in that. 

[Smokin]

 

I agree with @Danger41 that it is interesting that, for the most part, each generation has more knowledge available than the previous generation yet never seems to learn that we are always learning and much of what previous generations "knew for a fact" was in fact wrong.  Go through a museum today and what strikes me even more than the vast amount of information available is the absolute absence of any humility.  You will almost never see the terms "scientists think" or "evidence suggests".  Theories are presented as irrefutable fact because science cannot be wrong.

A generation ago, many considered the majority of the Old Testament to be complete fiction and even much of the historic figures and places of the New Testament to be fictional as well.  Historians pointed to the absence of any King David, until the Tel Dan Inscription was discovered.  Then more and more archeology discoveries proved Luke's description of people and places to be remarkably accurate, even places he never personally went to.

People may be quick to dismiss the Bible has parables and fiction, but put just as much faith in unproven theories with considerable problems in them.  For example, what actually caused the big bang?  Something doesn't explode for no reason.  How did life come from inanimate objects?  Richard Dawkins, one of the smartest atheists of our time, answers that with ... aliens.  But that only prolongs the question because then where did the aliens come from?  To me, the atheist potion takes more faith than the Christian position.  If I'm wrong, I've wasted time time and money.  If the atheist is wrong, there is literally hell to pay for eternity.

Perhaps we should start a thread on Christian apologetics in the Air Force.

[BashiChuni]

What is a woman?

[FLEA]

I'm not particularly religious but I always find it hilarious that atheist talk about the bible and fairy tails on one hand and then "we probably live in a computer simulation" on the other. 

[hindsight2020]

8 minutes ago, FLEA said:

I'm not particularly religious but I always find it hilarious that atheist talk about the bible and fairy tails on one hand and then "we probably live in a computer simulation" on the other. 

*agnostic has entered the chat*

*nihilist has entered the chat*

*deist has entered the chat*

[Biff_T]

We, as humans, haven't physically touched anything beyond the moon.  Arguing about how the universe was created is something our minds can't comprehend.  It makes me think of the humans in the past who thought the earth was flat and balancing on a giant tortoise.  Maybe someday in a few hundred thousand years we'll evolve to have the mental capacity to understand.  But until then, we dont know what will happen when we die (not even the smartest priest or atheist).  Not a single human alive today knows what is lerking in the shadows beyond life, only the dead.  I think we're better off not knowing.  Enjoy your life without fucking over others.  That's what matters.  We'll all get a chance to see what happens after death someday.   As for the universe, my mouth breathing mind thinks its been here forever. Something that the human mind has trouble with comprehending.  The universe has always been here and it will continue to be here long after the sun exlpodes.   There is no beginning or end in the universe.  

[AC&W]

2 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Arguing about how the universe was created is something our minds can't comprehend.

We can't even accurately predict the weather.

[Biff_T]

5 hours ago, AC&W said:

We can't even accurately predict the weather.

Wx: "Sir, I can assure you that there is only light turbulence in the mountains."

Me: "Look outside and you'll see lenticular clouds above all of the areas we're going".

Wx: "Yeap, you're right.  The new MEF will be out with forecasted severe".

Me: "Thanks man!"   I was cool with him because he didn't make any excuses.  No quibbling.   

I never got into the whole "Im a better wxman than they are" mentality" (Ok, maybe i dipped my toes in it sts). I just compared their notes to mine.  Sometimes,  they were right lol.  

 

Edit: woke things.   

Edited April 10, 2023 by Biff_T
My comment didn't involve woke things

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Trannies on the attack at SFSU.  Collegiate swimmer Riley Gaines was speaking about the unfair advantage that male swimmers (athletes) enjoy in swimming and most other athletic events when competing against women. She was actually hit twice by a trannie and chased into a room by the mob and was barricaded in the room for an hour or more before enough police officers arrived to facilitate her escape. Of course no charges and SFSU faculty and staff are saying it was a peaceful protest.

[SurelySerious]

So an actual woman attacked by a man.

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39 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

So an actual woman attacked by a man.

Yes, according to what i could find online 

[bfargin]

https://nypost.com/2023/04/08/riley-gaines-threatens-legal-action-after-being-attacked-by-trans-rights-activists/amp/
 

https://abc7news.com/amp/riley-gaines-attacked-san-francisco-state-assaulted-ambushed/13099865/

[Biff_T]

Beat the science out of her!

[filthy_liar]

4 hours ago, bfargin said:

Trannies on the attack at SFSU.  Collegiate swimmer Riley Gaines was speaking about the unfair advantage that male swimmers (athletes) enjoy in swimming and most other athletic events when competing against women. She was actually hit twice by a trannie and chased into a room by the mob and was barricaded in the room for an hour or more before enough police officers arrived to facilitate her escape. Of course no charges and SFSU faculty and staff are saying it was a peaceful protest.

This is what is still perplexing to me.  Conservatives, the big bad asses, don't do anything about this.  "It's a tragedy!!"  That's all you're going to get from conservatives.  The vile, take down America liberals actually are attacking.  And winning.  And conservatives don't do a god dam thing.

[filthy_liar]

On 4/9/2023 at 1:15 PM, Biff_T said:

We, as humans, haven't physically touched anything beyond the moon.  Arguing about how the universe was created is something our minds can't comprehend.  It makes me think of the humans in the past who thought the earth was flat and balancing on a giant tortoise.  Maybe someday in a few hundred thousand years we'll evolve to have the mental capacity to understand.  But until then, we dont know what will happen when we die (not even the smartest priest or atheist).  Not a single human alive today knows what is lerking in the shadows beyond life, only the dead.  I think we're better off not knowing.  Enjoy your life without fucking over others.  That's what matters.  We'll all get a chance to see what happens after death someday.   As for the universe, my mouth breathing mind thinks its been here forever. Something that the human mind has trouble with comprehending.  The universe has always been here and it will continue to be here long after the sun exlpodes.   There is no beginning or end in the universe.  

Truth. There's still a possible showdown betwinxt us in Pensacola or Chorpus Christi I can't remember.  filthy_liar vs Biff_T.  but what he said there is true.  The human mind is very very small when it comes to explaining things.  Back to our scheduled events.  filthy vs Biff in Death Valley

 

[kaputt]

It absofuckinglutely blows my mind that women, and even more crazy, some women athletes, are actually okay with biological men pretending to be women competing against them and ultimately beat them. 
 

This is not some gray area of personal beliefs. It’s absolutely solid science that men have an athletic advantage over women. I could give two fucks if some dude wants to cut his dick off, or wear dresses, or take pills to pump estrogen in his body. It’s a free country, do whatever you want. 

But it wasn’t that long ago women couldn’t even compete in sports. And now we’re going to piss all of that away to appease a fraction of a percent of the society. 

Edited April 11, 2023 by kaputt

[FLEA]

22 minutes ago, kaputt said:

It absofuckinglutely blows my mind that women, and even more crazy, some women athletes, are actually okay with biological men pretending to be women competing against them and ultimately beat them. 
 

This is not some gray area of personal beliefs. It’s absolutely solid science that men have an athletic advantage over women. I could give two fucks if some dude wants to cut his dick off, or wear dresses, or take pills to pump estrogen in his body. It’s a free country, do whatever you want. 

But it wasn’t that long ago women couldn’t even compete in sports. And now we’re going to piss all of that away to appease a fraction of a percent of the society. 

I don't think its going to get any real traction until athletic scholarships (i.e. something of material value) are taken up. But right now women outnumber men 2-to-1 in college (and they don't seem to realize that) and at the same time transgenderism is so rare they aren't taking any opportunities in any scale that people are paying attention to. 

[bfargin]

And right now there are significantly more woman to man pretenders than man to woman. They’re all delusional, but you might be right that money will have to flow from women to men before women start to pay attention.

[Smokin]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/bearded-man-smashes-womens-weightlighting-record-held-by-trans-lifter/news-story/f7e925cde26ffb394e0aed56db0cf42a

Good on this dude showcasing how absurd the argument is.  Crushes the record that was previously held by a tranny, who had previously crushed the record held by an actual woman.  Then the tranny has the balls to cry about how unfair it was.

Next you're going to have Olympic athletes going back to their high school to crush the high school records because they identify as a 17 year old.