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16 hours ago, Pooter said:

Gotta zoom in really far on the doll’s ass to see it:

Gas prices are currently around $4/gal nation-wide, which is the peak under Trump's second term. Gas prices peaked at over $5/gal under Biden. Biden's total term average was $3.45 according to your slide. Trumps second term average is $3.06 His first term was $2.57. So please tell me again how gas prices under Trump are so bad?

22 minutes ago, Smokin said:

Gas prices are currently around $4/gal nation-wide, which is the peak under Trump's second term. Gas prices peaked at over $5/gal under Biden. Biden's total term average was $3.45 according to your slide. Trumps second term average is $3.06 His first term was $2.57. So please tell me again how gas prices under Trump are so bad?

Well you’re right actually everything was humming along just fine, and then we started a counterproductive war of choice that spiked gas higher than the Biden average. And now it’s looking like it’s gonna stay there a while unless you think a ceasefire that lets Iran charge the tankers going through the straight is gonna somehow make oil cheaper.

But yet again I’m sure I’m just missing some crucial piece of the puzzle here and the 5-D chess will become evident in the fullness of time

4 hours ago, brabus said:

@Pooter @No One It’s very easy to understand guys, stop being such disingenuous douches.

1 hour ago, Smokin said:

Gas prices are currently around $4/gal nation-wide, which is the peak under Trump's second term. Gas prices peaked at over $5/gal under Biden. Biden's total term average was $3.45 according to your slide. Trumps second term average is $3.06 His first term was $2.57. So please tell me again how gas prices under Trump are so bad?

This is how far we have fallen. The MAGA bar is now “better than Biden”. That bar is incredibly low, and our country deserves so much better.

Trump is big government in a conservative’s clothing and always has been. More federal control, more foreign entanglements, more federal spending. He puts on a great reality TV show that the MAGA crowd loves. It’s disgusting to watch from a conservative perspective.

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

But yet again I’m sure I’m just missing some crucial piece of the puzzle here and the 5-D chess will become evident in the fullness of time

You're not missing them, you're choosing to ignore them. Nothing about the 800 US service members Iran has directly been involved in killing over the past 20 years? Nothing about the active approve of EVERY GULF STATE...you know the neighbors who've had to put up with Iran's BS for the past 50 years? Nothing about the 10's of thousands of Iranian civilians killed for protesting before we showed up?

Na, just focus of...let's see...not the US border...not the worldwide problem with Islamic immigrants that was enraged by Iran...not the fact the US doesn't need oil from the gulf...oh yeah...gas prices will be the metric of the day that makes your argument seem right. I'm sure you've got all the classified intel that went into all our actions and a full understanding of the big picture and you're not just emo raging like a toddler. Yeah, this process has never steered you wrong. Keep up the well investigated and perfectly justified raging. I'm sure that will help heal the divides in our country.

Can we get a rational argument for once instead of the standard "everything Trump does is bad". Literally NO ONE here actually likes the guy wholesale. Some of us have realized we DO have to deal with the policies and actions, so let's make the best of it.

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4 minutes ago, FourFans said:

You're not missing them, you're choosing to ignore them. Nothing about the 800 US service members Iran has directly been involved in killing over the past 20 years? Nothing about the active approve of EVERY GULF STATE...you know the neighbors who've had to put up with Iran's BS for the past 50 years? Nothing about the 10's of thousands of Iranian civilians killed for protesting before we showed up?

Na, just focus of...let's see...not the US border...not the worldwide problem with Islamic immigrants that was enraged by Iran...not the fact the US doesn't need oil from the gulf...oh yeah...gas prices will be the metric of the day that makes your argument seem right. I'm sure you've got all the classified intel that went into all our actions and a full understanding of the big picture and you're not just emo raging like a toddler. Yeah, this process has never steered you wrong. Keep up the well investigated and perfectly justified raging. I'm sure that will help heal the divides in our country.

Can we get a rational argument for once instead of the standard "everything Trump does is bad". Literally NO ONE here actually likes the guy wholesale. Some of us have realized we DO have to deal with the policies and actions, so let's make the best of it.

lol one of us is raging and calling people toddlers and it isn’t me. I’ve already listed things trump has done that I like. This war isn’t one of them. I’m perfectly willing to call a spade a spade and say when something is good policy or bad policy no matter who did it. This war is turning out to be very bad policy and it doesn’t matter if it was started by Trump, Biden, Kamala, Mickey Mouse, or Pickle Rick. I’m sure Trump’s ‘we’re gonna exterminate all of you’ rhetoric was uniquely unproductive, but in general I’d be saying the same thing no matter who was in charge.

Not one person in here can explain how we’re in a better strategic position wrt Iran today than we were a month and a half ago. Or a year ago. Or when we had the JCPOA. Iran has more influence, leverage, and credibility right now than at any point I can remember.

If someone posts a slide with direct comparisons of gas prices under Biden and Trump that factually disproves the implied claim and I call it out, somehow that means I'm claiming that Trump is doing 5D chess? Both the spikes and the averages were higher under Biden than Trump. I said nothing defending or advocating Trump or his policies, I simply called out an objectively incorrect argument.

I 100% agree that Trump is far from being a conservative, but that's hardly the point of this thread.

Trumps is a liberal NYer who is also a pragmatic manager. Gets what he wants any way he can, but if he doesn’t, he reframes it to not look so bad. I’m hoping he plays hardball with Iran and doesn’t let up until they completely cave. Target every leader and any wanna-be who steps up when the last one is killed. Islam needs to be completely humiliated in Iran and let the Persians have their country back. They were closer to 40-60 back when they were a civilized country. They treated radicals appropriately and smashed the terrorist/extremist when they popped up. We need that kind of Iran again. They’ve been beggin for an ass whopping for years and I’m hoping we finish it adequately. I hate that some innocents are caught up in it, but that happens in every conflict. Regardless of what the leftist spout, we aren’t randomly bombing civilians at will.

We would have lost ww2 if the numbnuts complaining now, had been in charge then. We killed >100,00 in one firebombing of Tokyo, and estimates of thousands when we took out Dresden and the factories there. Those are just two examples, with many more available (and don’t forget the 2 nukes). I realize this isn’t ww2, but war sucks and “innocents” are sometimes killed. It’s a factor when we target, but shouldn’t be the only consideration.

I’d love for this to end, but not until a completely contained and controllable Iran happens. That might be unrealistic without the world’s support, but i hope we have the resolve.