6 hours ago, Negat0ry said:

Never said that there was literally only one oil price - in fact when you reread my words you’ll see I explicitly gave an example in which there is more than one price in the market. Never said that $100 futures meant anything specific, either.

7 hours ago, Negat0ry said:

It’s why the US, which uses no Iranian oil TODAY is still subject to the same $100 BBL costs everyone else is.

15 hours ago, Day Man said:

care to expand given this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/world/middleeast/iran-war-putin-russia-energy-oil-prices.html

Sure, but I don't see behind any curtains anymore. In short, Russia is a dog we cornered that we have to be very careful with. We're probably doing this for the same reason the US Government limited Ukraine's starlink access as they tried to advance into Russian territory: Russia have nukes on functional ICBMs pointed at western nations.

Cutting off Venezuela and Iran in Russian oil calculus has made our sanctions that much more effective. I'd imagine we now have to carefully meter just how tightly we squeeze. Too hard and we get nukes airborne. It's a position of power that has to be carefully managed. Again, that's from my non read-in perspective. If I've learned one thing, it's that open source media is never privy to the behind the scenes negotiations that end up changing all the diplomatic calculus of how, precisely, the US is screwing over other countries. I'd guess this article is us seeing 10% of what's actually going on.

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4432850/loss-of-us-kc-135-over-iraq/

KC-135 down over Iraq. They’re saying it was not due to friendly or hostile fire.

Edited March 12Mar 12 by Runr6730

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Edited Friday at 11:05 PM5 days by Swizzle

Rumor is midair. The other -135 landed with half of its vertical stab.

nickel on the grass

44 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Rumor is midair. The other -135 landed with half of its vertical stab.

Anybody know if there are RTs over there? I've been out a little while but if memory serves those are the only 135 to 135 AR platforms

One that made it. Six on the jet that didn't make it. ANG crews.

1 hour ago, B52gator said:

Anybody know if there are RTs over there? I've been out a little while but if memory serves those are the only 135 to 135 AR platforms

There aren’t RT qualified crews anymore

Damn, not news I wanted to wake up to. Prayers for those (and their families) involved. The Wild West is unforgiving - thank you to all the tanker bros crushing it out there, you guys are doing great work in a tough environment.

Edited March 13Mar 13 by brabus

On 3/12/2026 at 9:49 AM, FourFans said:

Sure, but I don't see behind any curtains anymore. In short, Russia is a dog we cornered that we have to be very careful with. We're probably doing this for the same reason the US Government limited Ukraine's starlink access as they tried to advance into Russian territory: Russia have nukes on functional ICBMs pointed at western nations.

Cutting off Venezuela and Iran in Russian oil calculus has made our sanctions that much more effective. I'd imagine we now have to carefully meter just how tightly we squeeze. Too hard and we get nukes airborne. It's a position of power that has to be carefully managed. Again, that's from my non read-in perspective. If I've learned one thing, it's that open source media is never privy to the behind the scenes negotiations that end up changing all the diplomatic calculus of how, precisely, the US is screwing over other countries. I'd guess this article is us seeing 10% of what's actually going on.

THIS!

Unfortunately, the 10 percent is what the public sees and forms their opinion. People see gas prices and not much else. Taking out Iran's oil industry is really the only option at this point. Turn off their cash flow. Even if they hit their Gulf neighbors they'll watch as everyone else rebuilds and restart production while they sit on the sideline. They will run out of missiles and I'm sure most if not all of their manufacturing capability is a pile of smoking rubble at this point.

On a side note, harsh sanctions against Japan in the 40s pushed them to attack Pearl Harbor and we all know how that movie went.

They also had no hope of competing logistically with the US and after 1942 more and more of their assets were the start of artificial reefs with no way to replace them.

History repeats.

Is Iran the Japan tho? Or is it China?

1 hour ago, Clayton Bigsby said:

Is Iran the Japan tho? Or is it China?

Actually I was referring to Russia. Sorry I wasn't clear. I was making the point how a country might feel backed into a corner and feel like they have no choice but to go on the attack.

https://v.redd.it/d30sxsl18hpg1

Trump, "They weren't supposed to go after all these countries in the middle east. Those missiles were set to go after them. So they hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait. Nobody expected that. We were shocked."

CNBC

U.S. counterterrorism director Joe Kent resigns over war:...

"Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation," Kent wrote in his letter to President Donald Trump.

damn, that TDS is going around...SAD.

“Joe Kent is a crazed egomaniac who was often at the center of national security leaks, while rarely (never?) producing any actual work,” Taylor Budowich, Trump’s former deputy White House chief of staff and a political consultant, said in an X post.

“This isn’t some principled resignation — he just wanted to make a splash before getting canned. What a loser,” Budowich said.

Here's one of the times where he leaked National Security Secrets on a podcast:

And here's another clip where his Trump Derangement Syndrome is extremely apparent:

He could've just said "I quit because I hate Jews and I'm a Nazi" and dispensed with all of the below gobbledygook.

Edited yesterday at 01:34 AM1 day by gearhog

18 hours ago, Day Man said:

CNBC

U.S. counterterrorism director Joe Kent resigns over war:...

"Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation," Kent wrote in his letter to President Donald Trump.

damn, that TDS is going around...SAD.

The guy said Iran posed no imminent threat? What a dumbass, glad he’s gone.

14 hours ago, brabus said:

The guy said Iran posed no imminent threat? What a dumbass, glad he’s gone.

There is an element of the right that is highly susceptible to anti-semetic propaganda. He clearly fell victim to it. Ironically, this aligns people who fall for it with leftist elements. It's an extremely effective attack vector.

6 hours ago, ViperMan said:

There is an element of the right that is highly susceptible to anti-semetic propaganda. He clearly fell victim to it. Ironically, this aligns people who fall for it with leftist elements. It's an extremely effective attack vector.

Shocked how antisemitic the left has become, the AI explanation is interesting:

The rise of antisemitism within elements of the political left is a complex phenomenon driven by the intersection of anti-Israel activism, anti-colonial ideology, and the adoption of traditional conspiracy tropes, often masked as progressive critique. While often associated with the Israel-Palestine conflict, this trend has broader roots, including a tendency to view global issues through a strict "oppressor vs. oppressed"

My pea brain has distilled it down to the squad type lunatics the far left has elected.

You’re confusing criticism of Israel with antisemitism. These are not the same, although AIPAC has tried to say they are. Turns out studies show both sides are basically dead even when it comes to being anti-semites. The left does seem more concerned and upset than the right with this, though, I’ll give that to you:

Also, I forgot, was it the college democrats or the college republicans that just sued 3 days ago to preserve their god given right to do Nazi salutes?

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article315076912.html

This is confusing, let’s ask Grok

2 minutes ago, Negat0ry said:

You’re confusing criticism of Israel with antisemitism. These are not the same, although AIPAC has tried to say they are. Turns out studies show both sides are basically dead even when it comes to being anti-semites. The left does seem more concerned and upset than the right with this, though, I’ll give that to you:

Also, I forgot, was it the college democrats or the college republicans that just sued 3 days ago to preserve their god given right to do Nazi salutes?

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article315076912.html

This is confusing, let’s ask Grok

Oh so I see you are one of them....good for you.

There is HUGE difference between one lunatic group of college kids at the University of Florida and ELECTED members of Congress.

Also ironic that you bring up the incident at UF but say NOTHING about all the antisemitic attacks against Jewish students at a large number of universities around the country in recent years.

Finally and for the record...Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., and Rep. Cori Bush in particular voted AGAINST a House resolution condemning "global rise of antisemitism."

You can’t have it both ways. I’ve just stated that there is another side and explained why.

Rhetorically, you calling me an anti semite with no legitimate rationale (I’m not) mirrors almost exactly the way people call you/people like you nazis with no legitimate rationale.

Note that I am not calling you a Nazi.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by Negat0ry

Leftists: Being anti-Israel doesn’t mean you’re antisemitic.

Also leftists: If you want to deport illegal aliens it’s because you’re a racist who wants to get rid of black or brown people.

2 hours ago, Negat0ry said:

Also, I forgot, was it the college democrats or the college republicans that just sued 3 days ago to preserve their god given right to do Nazi salutes?

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article315076912.html

1 hour ago, Negat0ry said:

You can’t have it both ways. I’ve just stated that there is another side and explained why.

Rhetorically, you calling me an anti semite with no legitimate rationale (I’m not) mirrors almost exactly the way people call you/people like you nazis with no legitimate rationale.

Note that I am not calling you a Nazi.

Pictures of one kid (which haven't been included in any article I've seen on it, which also makes me question the legitimacy of the claim) allegedly doing a Nazi salute caused a completely non-affiliated group to write to UF saying they were pulling that clubs affiliation (which was a lie since they weren't affiliated to begin with). Then UF used that as an excuse to shut down the club, likely because they wanted to anyway after the Nazi salute uproar. The club is suing because the shutdown was an incorrect decision based on rules (they were still affiliated) and likely actually targeting the club based on that one member's bad, but protected free speech.

Ironic that you're drawing fine distinctions after basically calling all college republicans Nazis...