7 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

3 more bite the dust. 

Man... I wish I had been an HPO while on AD. Looks like a pretty sweet gig...

#ThemToo

36 minutes ago, PlanePhlyer said:

You know this is BS amigo. I was one of your IPs and was there for 5 years. Very professional environment. Your Flt/CC was terrible, but don’t shit on the rest of the Sqdn who worked hard and were very professional. Just because you got butthurt when you got JSTARS, don’t bash one of the most professional environments I’ve ever worked in during my 22 years in the military. 

Sarcasm detector inop.  Try recycling power.

4 hours ago, Bode said:

As for the other [three] I can not speak too much on as my interaction wasn’t much. I will say Gunny was loved by [some of] his squadron and there are a lot of people upset by his firing as well.
 

FTFY (correction in underline, opinion in bold). 

Not everybody in attendance was fond of his "management style", and that's as euphemistic as I can put it without causing his fans to insta mouth-foam.  Fwiw, I'm also of the opinion the DO firing was circumstantial by virtue of subordinancy; the WG firing was certainly a political necessity, again neither causal imo. I digress.

At the end of the day, part of being in the hot seat is taking the political fallout. And it is a political game make no mistake; nobody can claim ignorance to that reality at the O-4+ level. Everybody knows the name of the game when they get on that track. I was witness to the BAD/MIB bent spear flush; this thing is nothing new.

AETC is in a tough position. The question of IP accessions quality control will continue to be debated at the 19th level, and the MWS communities will continue to claim ignorance to the cherry picking. It truly is a food fight at the inter-MAJCOM level, nothing really endemic to the UPT squadron itself. Though as we see on display, it definitively ends up always coming to a head. 

 

Edited November 1, 20187 yr by hindsight2020
grammaz

8 hours ago, di1630 said:

So WTF actually happened at Laughlin to cause this purge?




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Rumor is the last straw was a naming where a female student was named an abbreviation. Think of the worst possible word to call a female and that’s what it was. See you next...

If true, I doubt it was the -38 sq. Any fighter pilot who has actually been to a naming before wouldn’t fvck it up that bad.  My money is on the toners. Anyone know? CC should have stepped in an nixed it. Just so much stupid all around...again, if true. 

Since it happened on Halloween, does that make it a purge?

So what did the OG and WG/CC do?

38 minutes ago, Guardian said:

So what did the OG and WG/CC do?

Went down with the ship. Pure speculation, but maybe the bobs got wind of the incident and knew the two 0-6s didn’t shitcan someone over it. That’s the AF these days. 

Youre not in the “too big to fail” club til you pin on a star. 

Edited November 1, 20187 yr by ViperStud
Spellin

 

6 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Rumor is the last straw was a naming where a female student was named an abbreviation. Think of the worst possible word to call a female and that’s what it was. See you next...

If true, I doubt it was the -38 sq. Any fighter pilot who has actually been to a naming before wouldn’t fvck it up that bad.  My money is on the toners. Anyone know? CC should have stepped in an nixed it. Just so much stupid all around...again, if true. 

It was a flt/cc (non-fighter guy) in the -38 squadron. Hence the sq/cc of the 87th getting fired. 

 

6 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Rumor is the last straw was a naming where a female student was named an abbreviation. Think of the worst possible word to call a female and that’s what it was. See you next...

If true, I doubt it was the -38 sq. Any fighter pilot who has actually been to a naming before wouldn’t fvck it up that bad.  My money is on the toners. Anyone know? CC should have stepped in an nixed it. Just so much stupid all around...again, if true. 

It was a flt/cc (non-fighter guy) in the -38 squadron. Hence the sq/cc of the 87th getting fired. 

6 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Rumor is the last straw was a naming where a female student was named an abbreviation. Think of the worst possible word to call a female and that’s what it was. See you next...

If true, I doubt it was the -38 sq. 

Do you think T-1 pilots have naming ceremonies?

5 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Youre not in the “too big to fail” club til you pin on a star. 

Paul Tibbets IV would disagree...

 
It was a flt/cc (non-fighter guy) in the -38 squadron. Hence the sq/cc of the 87th getting fired. 

But if you ask him he was a fighter guy. Correct me if I’m wrong, he flew the Viper for a bit.... then washed out.


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I stand corrected. Holy shit I can’t imagine the dearth of SA that leads to that. Dumbass must feel great; literally contributed to 3 dudes getting fired. 

This is precisely why I told my boss a while back that I refuse to act as mayor ever again. Like a fvckin SOF tour. 

Edited November 1, 20187 yr by ViperStud
for low SA

So what did the OG and WG/CC do?

I would wait for the CDI results to be released. There was a multitude of things going wrong in the unit. Just remember if your boss finds out about something going on before you know, that doesn’t look good.


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13 hours ago, PlanePhlyer said:

You know this is BS amigo. I was one of your IPs and was there for 5 years. Very professional environment. Your Flt/CC was terrible, but don’t shit on the rest of the Sqdn who worked hard and were very professional. Just because you got butthurt when you got JSTARS, don’t bash one of the most professional environments I’ve ever worked in during my 22 years in the military. 

Not sure what my assignment has to do with this. I voiced my concerns appropriately months before assignment night. There were multiple things going wrong there. The new LTs probably just thought “this is how it is”, which was a huge disservice to them. Having been around longer than most of the IPs there, I could recognize problems. I’ve PMed you.

Edited November 1, 20187 yr by FishBowl

https://www.facebook.com/AirEducationandTrainingCommand/videos/303497466922315/UzpfSTIwMDk5OTQwMzQwNzA0MToxMTA0MzQzODAzMDcyNTky/

When did students start geting named in UPT? Sounds like an awful idea

12 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Rumor is the last straw was a naming where a female student was named an abbreviation. Think of the worst possible word to call a female and that’s what it was. See you next...

If true, I doubt it was the -38 sq. Any fighter pilot who has actually been to a naming before wouldn’t fvck it up that bad.  My money is on the toners. Anyone know? CC should have stepped in an nixed it. Just so much stupid all around...again, if true. 

I believe there was a dude named the same thing, for the same reason, a few months prior. Wasn't the toners.

What did they name her and how many stars was her daddy.    I am not being sacrcastic

I thin this is the key to the whole shebang.       Can I say that?

Edited November 1, 20187 yr by matmacwc

What did they name her and how many stars was her daddy.    I am not being sacrcastic
I thin this is the key to the whole shebang.       Can I say that?

No you can’t. I bet with the millennials running things in the age of metoo, UPT is an absolute blast.




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5 hours ago, F-15E WSO said:

https://www.facebook.com/AirEducationandTrainingCommand/videos/303497466922315/UzpfSTIwMDk5OTQwMzQwNzA0MToxMTA0MzQzODAzMDcyNTky/

So if it happens again in AETC, Kwast loses his job right? Fair is fair.

4 hours ago, matmacwc said:

What did they name her and how many stars was her daddy.    I am not being sacrcastic

I thin this is the key to the whole shebang.       Can I say that?

There was a flag officer in attendance but it is my understanding he was the parent of a different student, not of the female targeted. 

1 minute ago, hindsight2020 said:

There was a flag officer in attendance but it is my understanding he was the parent of a different student, not of the female targeted. 

Complain about butt-hurt students all you want...if you don't have the SA to throttle back shenanigans when someone wearing stars walks into the bar, I submit you don't have the SA to command a squadron effectively.

Once the CC learned of the shenanigans, swift and immediate action was taken. It was a rogue Flt/CC that made a terrible decision.  

Bold statement, pawnman, I submit that this is certainly not the case. 

5 hours ago, Sprkt69 said:

When did students start geting named in UPT? Sounds like an awful idea

^first thing I thought

absolutely stupid. Too many bad things can come of that