October 23, 20178 yr MV-22 is NOT a CV-22, not even close.The Wikipedia does not provide much info. Would you mind providing a quick rundown of the differences?
October 24, 20178 yr 7 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: The Wikipedia does not provide much info. Would you mind providing a quick rundown of the differences? It sounds like he’s referring to the electronic systems differences, which may have a more appropriate forum elsewhere.
October 24, 20178 yr On 10/13/2017 at 12:03 PM, matmacwc said: You need to leave DC for a week or two....... On 10/13/2017 at 12:56 PM, BashiChuni said: And bring a few of your hot interns.... Roger that and yup
October 29, 20178 yr Like busdriver said, if the move to AFSOC is going to make sense, it needs to be all-in instead of halvsies like last time. I too have sat alert for SOF missions, in multiple theaters. And I was in Pakistan in 06 when we got a call on the satphone to take off our AFSOC patches...
November 17, 20187 yr Nope... the rumors have once again died. They should start again in around 36 months or so though based on past trends.
November 17, 20187 yr Out of last AF Corona, CSAF says it’s the right move but “nows not the right time”. No future timeline for integration given that I’m aware of.
November 17, 20187 yr I don’t think CSAR should go to AFSOC simply for the fact that if they came over, I can see CJSOAC’s and other SOF entities hijacking them to do more of an assault role and not protect their rescue role.
November 17, 20187 yr 47 minutes ago, Danger41 said: I don’t think CSAR should go to AFSOC simply for the fact that if they came over, I can see CJSOAC’s and other SOF entities hijacking them to do more of an assault role and not protect their rescue role. We were in AFSOC before. Sort of. The reason we left was because of the CSAR-X shit hook debacle, essentially Gen Brown tried to hijack us and drive the selection to the shit hook. COMACC saw the writing on the wall and yanked us back to ACC. But, the 55 SOS existed in AFSOC ok.
November 17, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Danger41 said: I don’t think CSAR should go to AFSOC simply for the fact that if they came over, I can see CJSOAC’s and other SOF entities hijacking them to do more of an assault role and not protect their rescue role. ^bingo exactly what would happen.
November 18, 20187 yr 8 hours ago, Danger41 said: I don’t think CSAR should go to AFSOC simply for the fact that if they came over, I can see CJSOAC’s and other SOF entities hijacking them to do more of an assault role and not protect their rescue role. I doubt it. SOCOM still has a doctrinal requirement to provide PR for their people. Also, those dudes are super picky on who they ride on downrange, to the point of being prima donnas about it.
November 18, 20187 yr 9 hours ago, stract said: We were in AFSOC before. Sort of. The reason we left was because of the CSAR-X shit hook debacle, essentially Gen Brown tried to hijack us and drive the selection to the shit hook. COMACC saw the writing on the wall and yanked us back to ACC. Sort of. Moseley wanted Rescue back in ACC from the get go. I'm not sure what straw was, but he was looking for a reason the moment he became the Chief. I also haven't heard any actual first hand info about Brown influencing the selection, just heard the rumors.
November 18, 20187 yr 22 minutes ago, Breckey said: PR for their people, not everybody else in the AOR. Wow... low opinion of AFSOC huh?
November 18, 20187 yr 29 minutes ago, McJay Pilot said: Wow... low opinion of AFSOC huh? It's doctrine. Each component is responsible for their own PR requirements.
November 18, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, McJay Pilot said: Wow... low opinion of AFSOC huh? 2 hours ago, busdriver said: It's doctrine. Each component is responsible for their own PR requirements. Which is why I still get a kick out of how big of a shit show the whole Erbil thing ended up being. There were some people supremely pissed off that the Navy was successful in eating out of someone else's ricebowl. Edited November 18, 20187 yr by Bigred
November 18, 20187 yr 22 minutes ago, Bigred said: Which is why I still get a kick out of how big of a shit show the whole Erbil thing ended up being. There were some people supremely pissed off that the Navy was successful in eating out of someone else's ricebowl. What happened at Erbil? Are you talking about the MC-12 thing?
November 18, 20187 yr 42 minutes ago, Best-22 said: What happened at Erbil? Are you talking about the MC-12 thing? Yes. There were some significant C2 issues due in part to the doctrinal requirements for who provides PR to who.
November 18, 20187 yr It also went back to who had launch and execute authority for that ALR. Being the Navy, they saw a shot, there was no danger, so they took it. The end result was that Jack was saved. Everything after that is a dick measuring contest.
November 19, 20187 yr PR for their people, not everybody else in the AOR.Talk to anyone in AFSOC, they have no issues picking anyone up. I'm talking anyone intelligent from O-3s to O-6s who say they will drop what they're doing to go pick up Jack. Talk with anyone at staff and they get offended by the idea that they wouldn't make the pick up. Designated forces could just as easily cover the role as dedicated. CH nailed it when he talked about Stockholm Syndrome. If we're talking about what is best for the mission/USAF IPs, then Rescue belongs in AFSOC. Does it mean we lose some CRH? Yup, but it is an underpowered, undersized, too slow platform anyway. Don't be territorial.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
November 19, 20187 yr 10 hours ago, Breckey said: It also went back to who had launch and execute authority for that ALR. Being the Navy, they saw a shot, there was no danger, so they took it. The end result was that Jack was saved. Everything after that is a dick measuring contest. to be clear jack was "saved" because he landed on the good side of the river. nothing more or less. certainly not because the navy took their "shot" 12 minutes ago, slackline said: Talk to anyone in AFSOC, they have no issues picking anyone up. I'm talking anyone intelligent from O-3s to O-6s who say they will drop what they're doing to go pick up Jack. Talk with anyone at staff and they get offended by the idea that they wouldn't make the pick up. ^^^this
November 19, 20187 yr 46 minutes ago, slackline said: Talk to anyone in AFSOC, they have no issues picking anyone up. I'm talking anyone intelligent from O-3s to O-6s who say they will drop what they're doing to go pick up Jack. Talk with anyone at staff and they get offended by the idea that they wouldn't make the pick up. Designated forces could just as easily cover the role as dedicated. CH nailed it when he talked about Stockholm Syndrome. If we're talking about what is best for the mission/USAF IPs, then Rescue belongs in AFSOC. Does it mean we lose some CRH? Yup, but it is an underpowered, undersized, too slow platform anyway. Don't be territorial. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nailed it. this post needs to be printed and posted at the step desk at every HH-60G squadron.... I just laugh when dudes talk about expanding mission sets with the W. I don't think a lot of -60 drivers actually realize that we are actually initially losing capabilities with the first block..... blah blah oh yeah, Stockholm Syndrome. Edited November 19, 20187 yr by norskman
November 19, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, BashiChuni said: to be clear jack was "saved" because he landed on the good side of the river. nothing more or less. certainly not because the navy took their "shot" Man, you should've heard some of the arguments of my Navy bros on this very thing. The dudes shouting "First actual CSAR since Vietnam" couldn't really explain why/how it was so dangerous when some dude in an ice cream truck parked on the side of the road was live streaming the pickup on Youtube.
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