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[brabus]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

BUT DoD has had TERA ACTIVE since 2012...anyone could apply. 

So generally TERA has been an option for anyone 15+ YOS for any reason? What is the rate of app approval? I don’t know much about TERA obviously. 

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[Lord Ratner]

By this point you have to be a clown to believe that the news is accurate, especially when it deals with something as nuanced as Air Force separations. 

 

If they applied for Tera and were approved, then after the fact had their approval denied because of their transgenderism, that's bullshit. 

 

If they applied for Tera and were denied, and there is not currently a blanket approval process in place for Tera, then they are just what, angry they aren't getting the money? 

 

If they waited to apply for Tera until after they found out they were going to be separated due to their transgenderism, then I'm not sure what the issue here is. Tera is a voluntary program meant to incentivize people to leave of their own accord, correct? Waiting until the military decides you will no longer be serving not the intent of the program.

 

Does anybody really believe that the news is going to get that right, or that the transgender people getting kicked out are going to fairly represent that in the media? Seems unlikely.

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10 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

By this point you have to be a clown to believe that the news is accurate, especially when it deals with something as nuanced as Air Force separations. 

 

If they applied for Tera and were approved, then after the fact had their approval denied because of their transgenderism, that's bullshit. 

 

If they applied for Tera and were denied, and there is not currently a blanket approval process in place for Tera, then they are just what, angry they aren't getting the money? 

 

If they waited to apply for Tera until after they found out they were going to be separated due to their transgenderism, then I'm not sure what the issue here is. Tera is a voluntary program meant to incentivize people to leave of their own accord, correct? Waiting until the military decides you will no longer be serving not the intent of the program.

 

Does anybody really believe that the news is going to get that right, or that the transgender people getting kicked out are going to fairly represent that in the media? Seems unlikely.

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[Swizzle]

4 hours ago, brabus said:

So generally TERA has been an option for anyone 15+ YOS for any reason? What is the rate of app approval? I don’t know much about TERA obviously. 

TERA has been active since the "great RIF" from NDAA FY2012 following the "great VSP" in early 2010s. TERA expires EoY FY25.

https://www.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000923562/

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/495744/tera-program-offers-enlisted-officers-early-retirement/

The authority to utilize TERA until December 31, 2025 is for force-shaping of active military forces by that NDAA by law. Doesn't mean by policy applicants will be approved for TERA. 

[Swizzle]

I inprocessed a brand new LM for LAO and opened a training folder after he graduated the FTU. Less than a week later I closed the folder because of, and learned about, TERA. He was on terminal leave less than a week after that. #winning?

[Sua Sponte]

49 minutes ago, Swizzle said:

I inprocessed a brand new LM for LAO and opened a training folder after he graduated the FTU. Less than a week later I closed the folder because of, and learned about, TERA. He was on terminal leave less than a week after that. #winning?

He didn’t have an ADSC for the LIQ training?

[Swizzle]

3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

He didn’t have an ADSC for the LIQ training?

Waived for TERA. Needs of the service were rebalancing more than LMs or their ADSCs. I was shocked, that guy was pleased to walk with TRICARE for Life, VA disability from working on SFS, and 2.5% of High-3 on ~15+ YAS. 

[ClearedHot]

16 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

If they applied for Tera and were approved, then after the fact had their approval denied because of their transgenderism, that's bullshit. 

That is precisely what happened to several members.  Air Force Reverses Offer of Early Retirement for Transgender Troops

16 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

If they applied for Tera and were denied, and there is not currently a blanket approval process in place for Tera, then they are just what, angry they aren't getting the money? 

I never said there was blanket approval, but ANYONE could apply. The memo specifically calls out transgender, it is targeted.

16 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

If they waited to apply for Tera until after they found out they were going to be separated due to their transgenderism, then I'm not sure what the issue here is. Tera is a voluntary program meant to incentivize people to leave of their own accord, correct? Waiting until the military decides you will no longer be serving not the intent of the program.

I get it, but this was an easy off-ramp to a politically induced situation.  Instead, we are kicking them where their nuts used to be and allowing it to be spun into another dog whistle issue by the left.  

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Instead, we are kicking them where their nuts used to be

I just spit out my coffee.....well played

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

That is precisely what happened to several members.  Air Force Reverses Offer of Early Retirement for Transgender Troops

I never said there was blanket approval, but ANYONE could apply. The memo specifically calls out transgender, it is targeted.

I get it, but this was an easy off-ramp to a politically induced situation.  Instead, we are kicking them where their nuts used to be and allowing it to be spun into another dog whistle issue by the left.  

 

 

 

Hey man, like I said, if they had approvals and those approvals were taken away, that's bullshit. Regardless of the political issue.

 

But I also don't think it's going to matter. I remember you were convinced that the Roe v Wade ruling was going to doom Republicans forever (hyperbole), but I think I was closer with my prediction to say that the issue will largely fall by the wayside because there's no longer a unifying narrative.

 

But this issue is the opposite. The unifying narrative will either be "I just don't care about transgenderism enough to have a strong opinion," or more likely based on the insistence by progressives that we hear about this bullshit day in and day out, "sorry but the idea that a man could be a woman is so fucking stupid that I will act against the movement *if* I am forced to act." 

 

So yeah, I don't like it one little bit if they are backing out of promises just because the service member is a tranny. But the idea that this is going to radicalize anybody against the Republicans is misguided in my estimation. I believe the vast, vast, vast majority of Democrats are quietly relieved when they see someone else speaking against nearly every facet of the transgender issue. And they will vote accordingly and never admit it to anyone else.

[brabus]

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

That is precisely what happened to several members.

I don’t think it is what happened, at least using this article as a source.  TERA approval authority is SAF (in this case). I understand this piece of journalism says at one point they “were initially approved,” but nobody below SAF has approval authority. I bet their misspeak/the truth is the members’ apps for TERA were concurred with at lower levels, but ultimately denied by SAF. Just like someone’s Palace Chase app being denied. They took their shot and didn’t get the outcome they wanted - sucks for them, but nothing wrong with it.

Bottom line: Unless SAF approved TERA apps, then rescinded approval later on, there is no bullshit going on. So far, I’ve seen nothing that indicates SAF approved them ever. But, I agree it is bullshit if that is actually what happened (so far, no evidence of that…)

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