The Next President is...

[Biff_T]

Maybe we can use Epstein's Island for the first camp? 

[ClearedHot]

F-ing NitWit sold off half of the SPR for politics...what could possibly go wrong when we might have a hot war in the Middle East.

Biden sold off nearly half the U.S. oil reserve. Is it ready for a crisis?

[ViperMan]

18 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

F-ing NitWit sold off half of the SPR for politics...what could possibly go wrong when we might have a hot war in the Middle East.

Biden sold off nearly half the U.S. oil reserve. Is it ready for a crisis?

Stock up on XOM/BP/USO/SHELL.

Dems never look beyond one dimension when they're making decisions.

[lloyd christmas]

On 10/16/2023 at 3:31 PM, ClearedHot said:

F-ing NitWit sold off half of the SPR for politics...what could possibly go wrong when we might have a hot war in the Middle East.

Biden sold off nearly half the U.S. oil reserve. Is it ready for a crisis?

Russia invades Ukraine.  We send over 100 billion, who knows how much ammo/weapons and deplete our oil reserves.  Iran waits for this to happen.  They then use their proxy militaries and attack Israel.  We send more money and ammo/weapons.  Two carrier strike groups, fighter squadrons and a marine amphibious unit are now tied up.  China makes a run at Taiwan next?  Terrorist cells go live in the US via the open border?  All without a functioning congress, a president in bad health who is probably compromised with a son facing felony charges and a ex president in court.  All while we fight over identity politics.  

Nothing to see here.  
 

[herkbum]

This administration is killing this country. I hope people start voting these clowns out before they permanently f us.


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[pbar]

1 hour ago, herkbum said:

This administration is killing this country. I hope people start voting these clowns out before they permanently f us.


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I think that's their whole point.  It's President Obama's third term after all (given most of President Biden's staff are from President Obama's administration) and if you wanted to run this country into the ground, what would you have done differently?  

[gearhog]

10 hours ago, herkbum said:

This administration is killing this country. I hope people start voting these clowns out before they permanently f us.

 

[FourFans]

On 10/17/2023 at 5:34 PM, lloyd christmas said:

Russia invades Ukraine.  We send over 100 billion, who knows how much ammo/weapons and deplete our oil reserves.  Iran waits for this to happen.  They then use their proxy militaries and attack Israel.  We send more money and ammo/weapons.  Two carrier strike groups, fighter squadrons and a marine amphibious unit are now tied up.  China makes a run at Taiwan next?  Terrorist cells go live in the US via the open border?  All without a functioning congress, a president in bad health who is probably compromised with a son facing felony charges and a ex president in court.  All while we fight over identity politics.  

Nothing to see here.  
 

The parallels between this administration and that of Carter are truly uncanny.

The biggest difference is that we have no Reagan waiting in the wings to heal all the pain this administration has put us into.

[Sim]

 

[nunya]

[Blue]

9 hours ago, Sim said:

 

To state the obvious, the implication is that there are "Biden impersonators" walking around wearing some kind of mask to appear like the president.  This NBC clip shows the video this pic was taken from.

I'd like to think I'm a reasonable person, and would previously disregard such things as just so much ridiculous nonsense.  Just more flotsam and jetsam bobbing around on the internet.

But then you look around, and reflect on all of the strange, ridiculous nonsense you hear every day that is actually happening.  Arguments over who is a man and who is a woman, and other such absurdities.  Somewhat more mundane, but no less absurd, the fact that the prices of staples like milk and eggs have inflated out of sight, yet have gotten no more than a passing mention on the local news.

I just don't know anymore.

I've had some limited experience with those at the higher levels of the corporate and political spheres.  Like anything, it's interesting to get behind the scenes and see how the sausage is made.  One consistent takeaway has been that, the higher you go, the more of a laser focus there is on the stated goals.  All other considerations (morality, decency, etc) fall by the wayside.  Some say that the higher you go, the more Sociopathy you find.  Perhaps that's the case.

All I know is, taking into account the absurdities I see all around (both in the news, and in daily interactions in my neighborhood), I no longer discount such things as "man in mask impersonating the President."  While such things sound absurd, they also sound entirely possible.  Perhaps even plausible.

[17D_guy]

Ruh roh

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html

[Sua Sponte]

4 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Ruh roh

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html

Singing like a songbird for that sweetheart deal of no prison time.

[Day Man]

*DJ Khaled* anotha one

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/trump-georgia-election-case-kenneth-chesebro-to-plead-guilty.html

[HeloDude]

37 minutes ago, Day Man said:

*DJ Khaled* anotha one

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/trump-georgia-election-case-kenneth-chesebro-to-plead-guilty.html

So what do you think will happen if Trump wins the 2024 election?  A state can’t imprison a sitting president.

[Biff_T]

Chesebro.   I have nothing of value to add other than what a weird or cool last name (depending on how you feel about cheese). Chesebro.   

Cheese Bro. 

 

[Sua Sponte]

48 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

So what do you think will happen if Trump wins the 2024 election?  A state can’t imprison a sitting president.

What’s your Constitutional Law holding for that since SCOTUS ruled long along federal and state laws are different sovereignties

Let me help you out.

“While there is no express constitutional prohibition on a President being incarcerated, it is self-evident that an incarcerated President would pose serious threats to the continued functioning of our country.”

https://harvardlawreview.org/blog/2023/04/stronga-convict-in-chief-strong/

Edited October 20, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[Biff_T]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/twitter-influencer-sentenced-trick-clinton-supporters-voting-text/story?id=104096660

 

Memes are a crime lol.   

"Misinformation".  Who gets to define this?   

"Our" government can take you away if they don't agree with you.  This is insane.  

 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Biff_T
Afterthought

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

What’s your Constitutional Law holding for that since SCOTUS ruled long along federal and state laws are different sovereignties

Let me help you out.

“While there is no express constitutional prohibition on a President being incarcerated, it is self-evident that an incarcerated President would pose serious threats to the continued functioning of our country.”

https://harvardlawreview.org/blog/2023/04/stronga-convict-in-chief-strong/

So what you’re telling me that a state could charge Biden with a crime tomorrow, arrest him, prosecute him, convict him, and then put him in jail?

[Sua Sponte]

33 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

So what you’re telling me that a state could charge Biden with a crime tomorrow, arrest him, prosecute him, convict him, and then put him in jail?

Why couldn’t they? Could Biden pardon himself of state charges/convictions? Of course he couldn’t, which is why if Trump was able to be elected president he’s still on the hook for the New York and Georgia charges. I think you’re confusing the DOJ’s policy, not law, of not charging a sitting president with federal crimes (which could be argued he could pardon himself of anyway) since they defer to the impeachment process.

A DA or a state’s AG doesn’t give a shit about the DOJ’s charging/prosecution policy for federal crimes. Like the HLS article I posted stated, which you probably didn’t read, stated there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting a president from being incarcerated. Any state that chose to go this route with a sitting president is more likely than not going to face legal challenges to the SCOTUS for an interpretation if a state had the authority to do so over state charges.

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Why couldn’t they? Could Biden pardon himself of state charges/convictions? Of course he couldn’t, which is why if Trump was able to be elected president he’s still on the hook for the New York and Georgia charges. I think you’re confusing the DOJ’s policy, not law, of not charging a sitting president with federal crimes (which could be argued he could pardon himself of anyway) since they defer to the impeachment process.

A DA or a state’s AG doesn’t give a shit about the DOJ’s charging/prosecution policy for federal crimes. Like the HLS article I posted stated, which you probably didn’t read, stated there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting a president from being incarcerated. Any state that chose to go this route with a sitting president is more likely than not going to face legal challenges to the SCOTUS for an interpretation if a state had the authority to do so over state charges.

Just so I understand you clearly…you honestly think that if Trump were to win in 2024, that a state would take him in and put him in prison?  Or, if he was already in prison, not release him?…and I’m not asking about an article, I’m asking you what you personally believe would actually happen.  Likewise what would happen if tomorrow South Dakota charged Biden with a crime…do you actually think Biden would stand trial as a sitting president, as well as be allowed to be put in state prison if convicted?

Even as the libertarian here, I’m discussing what we believe would actually happen…not what the Hamas loving Harvard folks write about.

[Sua Sponte]

24 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Just so I understand you clearly…you honestly think that if Trump were to win in 2024, that a state would take him in and put him in prison?  Or, if he was already in prison, not release him?…and I’m not asking about an article, I’m asking you what you personally believe would actually happen.  Likewise what would happen if tomorrow South Dakota charged Biden with a crime…do you actually think Biden would stand trial as a sitting president, as well as be allowed to be put in state prison if convicted?

Even as the libertarian here, I’m discussing what we believe would actually happen…not what the Hamas loving Harvard folks write about.

Yes. He was charged and/or found guilty of a state crime. Can a president pardon himself of said state crime(s)? If not, then why can’t that state enforce their own laws? The Constitution is silent where it doesn’t say you cannot imprison a president, so why couldn’t that happen? Why are we now asking ourselves this? Because presidents usually don’t go around allegedly committing state crimes while in office.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

16 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Yes. He was charged and/or found guilty of a state crime. Can a president pardon himself of said state crime(s)? If not, then why can’t that state enforce their own laws? The Constitution is silent where it doesn’t say you cannot imprison a president, so why couldn’t that happen? Why are we now asking ourselves this? Because presidents usually don’t go around allegedly committing state crimes while in office.

I very much disagree.  If this was the case, any state can pass some silly law and charge a president for violating it.  And as much as I dislike Trump personally, there’s a decent chance we may find out in a little over a year.  Also if you think every other President has been squeaky clean (to include our current one) then I guess we’ll again have to agree to disagree.

[Sua Sponte]

15 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

I very much disagree.  If this was the case, any state can pass some silly law and charge a president for violating it.  And as much as I dislike Trump personally, there’s a decent chance we may find out in a little over a year.  Also if you think every other President has been squeaky clean (to include our current one) then I guess we’ll again have to agree to disagree.

That’s fine you disagree, but neither I, nor you, are the people charged with interpreting the Constitution. Your posts about these topics are usually a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger effect. I didn’t say every other president has been squeaky clean, but you knew that, you’re just being stupid. I said that presidents normally don’t go around violating state laws while they’re sitting in office, which is why this is now some uncharted legal landscape the courts are entering in. Trump was still the lame duck president when his alleged criminal actions occurred in Georgia (Dec 2020). Are you to say that since he was technically president at the time the allegedly conduct happened that Georgia wouldn’t be able to prosecute him since he was, at the time, the president?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-23sc188947-criminal-indictment

I’m curious why you don’t think a president, who cannot pardon himself or others from state law violations, couldn’t be charged with violating state law? Are military personnel, who usually aren’t residents of the states they’re stationed in, immune from violating laws of the state they’re stationed in? Even if they aren’t residents of said states? Does the military have the authority to just immunize military personnel from state law violations because they’re essentially federal employees?

Edited October 21, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

48 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

That’s fine you disagree, but neither I, nor you, are the people charged with interpreting the Constitution. Your posts about these topics are usually a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger effect. I didn’t say every other president has been squeaky clean, but you knew that, you’re just being stupid. I said that presidents normally don’t go around violating state laws while they’re sitting in office, which is why this is now some uncharted legal landscape the courts are entering in. Trump was still the lame duck president when his alleged criminal actions occurred in Georgia (Dec 2020). Are you to say that since he was technically president at the time the allegedly conduct happened that Georgia wouldn’t be able to prosecute him since he was, at the time, the president?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-23sc188947-criminal-indictment

I’m curious why you don’t think a president, who cannot pardon himself or others from state law violations, couldn’t be charged with violating state law? Are military personnel, who usually aren’t residents of the states they’re stationed in, immune from violating laws of the state they’re stationed in? Even if they aren’t residents of said states? Does the military have the authority to just immunize military personnel from state law violations because they’re essentially federal employees?

I literally said that if Trump wins, do you think he’ll go to prison if convicted or remain in prison if previously convicted before the 2024 election…and your answer is yes, and my answer is no.  And your response to that is that I’m stupid.  So again focus on the actual prison piece not whether or not he is charged or convicted.

My money is that if Trump wins in 2024, he will be in the White House come January 20th, 2025, regardless of any state court outcomes.  You can disagree and call me a stupid, but do you really think the country would survive with an elected president being in a state prison?  Now as for Trump winning, I definitely have my doubts (and would much rather see someone else), but looking at the current polls and how bad Biden is doing, it’s definitely not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.

As for comparing Joe military person to the president…ummm, it’s the same reason why Hillary won’t be charged/punished for her crimes with mishandling classified information, but airman snuffy would.  Same applies to state crimes.  The elites are rarely charged for their crimes, especially compared to everyday folks.