The Next President is...

[drewpey]

I know this is terrifying times for many of you, but you shouldn't be that worried about the "far left agenda".  In reality across the US there were several very progressive candidates on the ballot and most of them lost by a wide margin.  Even Biden as a fairly bland centrist democrat barely squeaked out a win against Trump, which I think shocked many on the left who were hoping for a bit of a blue wave.  The democratic party won largely due in part to the moderate middle, so enacting "far left" policies is only going to guarantee a loss in 2022, and 2024.

If history is any indicator the democratic party will play it safe by offering relatively centrist policies that have wide public support, and the senate will blockade any progress and blame the white house until you get another authoritarian in office to abdicate power to.  As an added bonus we can go back to pretending to care about the defecit (yay for actual fiscal conservatism!).  If by some freak of nature we take a tie in the senate, anything that gets signed into law will likely be struck down in courts, so again...nothing much to worry about.

If Trump had lost in a landslide and we swept the senate, then I might agree that we are in for some progressive policy changes, but ultimately it's not likely to happen and the party isn't going to blow their political capital slamming their heads against a wall for the next several years.

I'm a bit shocked the race was so close.  Honestly goes to show how lucky we are Trump always doubles down on stupid and refuses to appeal to anyone not in his hardcore base.  Seriously he could have walked out of walter reed and pretended to care about Covid for a month and probably swept Biden and then resumed business as usual.

I just hope out of this mess we can have both sides meet and agree on an election security and voter rights law.  Both of which are needed for us to have faith in our democratic process.

If any of you have your doubts in the election process and the likelihood of voter fraud, I encourage you to get involved and volunteer to work the polls in the next election to see it for yourself first hand, and not just random twitter videos of people pretending to uncover rampant fraud.  Educate yourself.  Be part of the solution.

[Sim]

40 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Neither does a candidate. No matter how many times he types in all caps like a Boomer.

I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start.  

Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior.  

[FLEA]

22 minutes ago, drewpey said:

I know this is terrifying times for many of you, but you shouldn't be that worried about the "far left agenda".  In reality across the US there were several very progressive candidates on the ballot and most of them lost by a wide margin.  Even Biden as a fairly bland centrist democrat barely squeaked out a win against Trump, which I think shocked many on the left who were hoping for a bit of a blue wave.  The democratic party won largely due in part to the moderate middle, so enacting "far left" policies is only going to guarantee a loss in 2022, and 2024.

If history is any indicator the democratic party will play it safe by offering relatively centrist policies that have wide public support, and the senate will blockade any progress and blame the white house until you get another authoritarian in office to abdicate power to.  As an added bonus we can go back to pretending to care about the defecit (yay for actual fiscal conservatism!).  If by some freak of nature we take a tie in the senate, anything that gets signed into law will likely be struck down in courts, so again...nothing much to worry about.

If Trump had lost in a landslide and we swept the senate, then I might agree that we are in for some progressive policy changes, but ultimately it's not likely to happen and the party isn't going to blow their political capital slamming their heads against a wall for the next several years.

I'm a bit shocked the race was so close.  Honestly goes to show how lucky we are Trump always doubles down on stupid and refuses to appeal to anyone not in his hardcore base.  Seriously he could have walked out of walter reed and pretended to care about Covid for a month and probably swept Biden and then resumed business as usual.

I just hope out of this mess we can have both sides meet and agree on an election security and voter rights law.  Both of which are needed for us to have faith in our democratic process.

If any of you have your doubts in the election process and the likelihood of voter fraud, I encourage you to get involved and volunteer to work the polls in the next election to see it for yourself first hand, and not just random twitter videos of people pretending to uncover rampant fraud.  Educate yourself.  Be part of the solution.

Here are my observations on Conservative fears:

1.) A second Trump victory would have indicated a historic rejection of the Social Justice principles that have eroded the unity of our society for the last 20 years. It would have made it clear that those principles were not tolerable to the US electorate. This is probably the largest loss in this election for Conservatives, and will likely keep the country divided for another 2 decades. 

2.) Should the Democrats take the Senate, speculation is high they will remove the filibuster and pass an assault weapons ban. 

3.) Also removing the filibuster would allow stacking the Supreme Court. 

4.) On a whole though, 2 and 3 don't look possible for this term. Its unlikely Democrats will get a strong mid term showing, and first mid terms for new party are usually a correction in the other direction. So I think chances are good they will not have either house in 2 years. 

5.) The Democratic electorate largely believes this was a major victory. However, the House and Senate votes say otherwise. Democrats honestly have a large uphill battle to pass any meaningful agenda. 

6.) Even if Biden does tap out year #2 and put K. Harris in, she wont have the congressional support to push a far left agenda. 

7.) As a military member though, I am concerned about foreign involvement. Especially since Biden sat deuce for Obama, who was a very hawkish President. 

8.) I'm also worried Biden will play us back into NATO/EUCOM, refocus energy on Russia when it needs to be on China, and remove emphasis from China overall. This would be an enormous failure in Global Security. 

Other than that, I don't think much will change in the next 4 years. I really hope to god though he doesn't get us into a foreign quagmire. That was one thing I was at least very confident in with Trump. It was very clear Trump was keeping us out of overseas debacles. 

 

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Here are my observations on Conservative fears:
1.) A second Trump victory would have indicated a historic rejection of the Social Justice principles that have eroded the unity of our society for the last 20 years. It would have made it clear that those principles were not tolerable to the US electorate. This is probably the largest loss in this election for Conservatives, and will likely keep the country divided for another 2 decades. 
2.) Should the Democrats take the Senate, speculation is high they will remove the filibuster and pass an assault weapons ban. 
3.) Also removing the filibuster would allow stacking the Supreme Court. 
4.) On a whole though, 2 and 3 don't look possible for this term. Its unlikely Democrats will get a strong mid term showing, and first mid terms for new party are usually a correction in the other direction. So I think chances are good they will not have either house in 2 years. 
5.) The Democratic electorate largely believes this was a major victory. However, the House and Senate votes say otherwise. Democrats honestly have a large uphill battle to pass any meaningful agenda. 
6.) Even if Biden does tap out year #2 and put K. Harris in, she wont have the congressional support to push a far left agenda. 
7.) As a military member though, I am concerned about foreign involvement. Especially since Biden sat deuce for Obama, who was a very hawkish President. 
8.) I'm also worried Biden will play us back into NATO/EUCOM, refocus energy on Russia when it needs to be on China, and remove emphasis from China overall. This would be an enormous failure in Global Security. 
Other than that, I don't think much will change in the next 4 years. I really hope to god though he doesn't get us into a foreign quagmire. That was one thing I was at least very confident in with Trump. It was very clear Trump was keeping us out of overseas debacles. 
 

Point 8 is spot on unfortunately...


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[Sim]

Smart cookie. 

 

[FLEA]

39 minutes ago, Sim said:

I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start.  

Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior.  

Trumps ploy will be to delegitimize Biden's Presidency the same way Democrats worked to delegitimize Trump's through Russia Gate. This will have an interesting outcome though. With Russia Gate, Trump was put in a peculiar situation where he needed to assert he wasn't in collusion with Russia but be careful to investigate the matter too deeply in order to avoid bringing credence to a claim for delegitimization. The same thing will happen now with polling. The Democrats will continue to deny fraud happened but this is dangerous because if any fraud is found its going to implicate them, even if its minor. It won't change the election outcome but it will continue to keep a base of Republican voters energized for 2024. 

[Homestar]

So what’s the OPLAN for if Trump physically refuses to vacate 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on January 20?

Like, do you call the Marines?

[CharlieHotel47]

How the media is currently celebrating


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[Pooter]

I think trumps tantrums grow more severe and indefensible by the minute. The man has never lost at anything, never been told "no," and as a result he will continue this classless flailing for as long as he can. It will accomplish nothing except turn off more moderate voters from republicans and delay conservatives from being able to take control of their party back. 

[Homestar]

14 minutes ago, Pooter said:

The man has never lost at anything

He’s had multiple business fail. He just denies that he had anything to do with the failure, you know, like the amazing leader he is. The best. Everyone agrees. 

[Guardian]

Don't be a tool. I read it wrong, that's why I asked for a link. He provided it. I was corrected. NBD.

Point still stands, what's wrong with what she's asking? I think k she's way too immature/inexperienced to be good at her job yet, and the GND is a complete non starter, but she's got a point in remembering who the hypocrites are.


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Dude. Chill out. It was you who were calling people out for quoting a tweet you couldn’t find because of your self admitted lack of Twitter knowledge.

[Sim]

4 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

 

Didn’t the Democratic Party fight the 2016 election until now?

What's even better (worse). There is a web-page already https://www.trumpaccountability.net/ 

 

 

[Slick]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start.  

Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior.  

The media has been "trolling" him every waking minute for the last 5 years.  

[Sim]

2 minutes ago, Slick said:

The media has been "trolling" him every waking minute for the last 5 years.  

Interesting. Please educate...? 

[Slick]

5 minutes ago, Sim said:

Interesting. Please educate...? 

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

Trump has actually trolled the media with these last minute "mix ups" on several occasions.  I always find it humorous and, in contrast with what the media does to him, it is harmless.  

[Sim]

10 minutes ago, Slick said:

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

OK. I don't think you know what the word "trolling" means. And I agree with your message above. 

[Mark1]

1 hour ago, Homestar said:

So what’s the OPLAN for if Trump physically refuses to vacate 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on January 20?

Like, do you call the Marines?

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, Slick said:

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

Trump has actually trolled the media with these last minute "mix ups" on several occasions.  I always find it humorous and, in contrast with what the media does to him, it is harmless.  

Except Fox.

[frog]

2 hours ago, Mark1 said:

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I know you are being dramatic, but the LAST thing that would restore confidence in the system is the military intervening to force a transition of power and civilian authority. Think about the precedent that would set.

[raimius]

I think we can stop with the coup porn and agree: "The Army is a broadsword, not a scalpel. Trust me, senator, you do not want the Army in an American city."

 

[FLEA]

6 hours ago, Mark1 said:

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I like your thought process here but we really need to start processing the trauma that China has likely already obtained supper power status on peer with us. They may not have the covnetional military quite there yet, but , if we look at Hybrid state theory via their Economic, Cyber, and Intelligence platforms, they have global reach. A good example was how they forced airlines to recognize Taiwan as part of the PRC. Another good example is how they forced American super businesses like Disney to recognize their claim to the 9 dash line. They spend equally on their military us, (when calculated for price parity and personnel costs) and they are only a couple years away from tech superiority to us. 

I'm only point this out because it's really important our next POTUS realise this and realise the rules have change on the global landscape. We aren't the only bad boy in town anymore. Out next POTUS needs to be super cognicent of that and realize we have to take a different approach now than world police. 

[Sim]

Opsie. More little glitches. 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/michigan-republican-wins-election-after-county-fixes-glitch-originally

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Adam Kochenderfer was originally declared the loser in his race against Democrat Melanie Hartman for a position on the Oakland County Board of Commissioners. The narrow race appeared to end with Hartman the winner by just 104 votes. 

Yet the county clerk soon discovered that a set of absentee ballots had actually been reported in the voter totals twice. Once the duplicate set was removed, Kochenderfer came out ahead by 1,127 votes.

 

[Lord Ratner]

On 11/5/2020 at 7:19 AM, FLEA said:

I'm going to be honest. Politically I detest her. We couldn't be more opposite on so many things. I also don't think she has all of her platforms well thought out. I do not think she's stupid though, just not as expereinced. We take for granted sometimes as officers we have a broad understanding of government, and policy. But at the end of the day, none of us ran for office, and she did. 

Morally though I somewhat admire her. She was unhappy with her circumstances, ran an extremely fierce campaign as an under dog, and stood strongly in front of a wave of criticism on everything from her background to her looks from opponents that would not take her seriously. This ultimately backfired, because now you have to take her seriously. Whether you like to admit it or not, she has political pull and influence. That equates to power, and so long as she had power, she matters. Would love to see some younger Republicans generate the same energy but they largely just don't exist. 

She was also dead nuts on about Amazon. Conservatives really shit the bed on that one.

 

If anybody thinks that the world's most powerful corporation running a beauty pageant for the cities of America, so they would turn over what is usually heavily guarded tax and policy information, so that company could pick the most tax advantaged location to open their next mega center, is somehow what capitalism is supposed to look like, then conservatives don't deserve to be the defenders of capitalism. 

She's just another liberal. Good at identifying problems, bad at identifying causes and solutions.

[Lord Ratner]

You know, I think this was the best case scenario for a Trump loss. It might even be better than a Trump win, assuming the GOP can pick the right candidate for 2024.

 

Trump loses, but the rest of the Republican political class wins, keeping the senate and gaining in the house, as well as picking up some state legislatures. That's a clear repudiation of the man, not the party.

 

Keeping the senate means effectively zero progressive wishlist items will happen in the next two years.

 

Biden, let's not forget, is a fool who was not-too-long-ago frustrating his party as VP for always trying to make deals with Mitch Mcconnell. I see that continuing.

 

Biden's win was small, so not a mandate. And amazingly, Trump gained in all voter groups *except* white men. If you don't think there are some (D) strategists right now melting down over that, I've got something to sell you. A black Republican who speaks Spanish would obliterate what's left of the democratic coalition.

 

Mail in balloting is here to stay, and even with the most mailed-in election in history, by far, Biden barely won. The previous (D) advantage in early and mail-in voting will evaporate once the (R) figure out they need to embrace it.

 

No more crazy Trump tweets is a win for the country. I'm concerned about foreign relations, which was unfortunately Trump's strongest area, but at least the split government will temper any gross reversals. As stated, China is the threat.

 

And some California and NY seats flipped, which should indicate restlessness amongst the victims of the high-tax low-freedom regimes that have controlled state policy for decades.

 

Could have been a lot worse

[Guardian]

I’m concerned that Biden has tried to reach out to trump supporters in word only. He has already said he will make a sweeping amount of executive decisions to undo what trump has done. So reaching out doesn’t really mean what he thinks it means. It means he changes the things he and his party want while saying hi to the trump supporters and effectively saying hope you feel better and then going on his merry reduced mental capacity way.