The Next President is...

[Kiloalpha]

21 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

Sorry about the jab on poly sci majors.

You should be. I paid good money to get a degree in HS Civics that qualifies me to make one hell of a coffee at Starbucks. Speaking of which, what was your order again?

@drewpey Lucky for you, I have a second after making a Pumpkin Spice latte for Krystyl (emphasis on the two y’s, she says). The federal government sets the date of the election by law. The administration of the vote is largely all states rights, unless the states have created a process that would invalidate the integrity of the vote (fraud, poll tax, etc.), and even then it’s limited. So far the cases I’ve seen where the feds have been involved is when states have decided to count ballots 6-10 days after election. That’s effectively trying to move the federal date, so it’s a federal question. 

As for the tenor of the thread... Politics today is an all-in high stakes game of my religion (party) vs yours. If “our” side loses, then the whole system will absolutely, definitely, probably, maybe collapse. Republicans scare and mislead their voters on certain issues. Democrats do the exact same thing. I worked at a company who did messaging/marketing for both. They both need fear to 1) cover up the stench of their issues (Look! A bad, bad man over there!) and 2) get you to March to their beat and vote no matter the cost.

Once the American people realize that politicians are our Pawns and we aren’t theirs? That’s when we right the ship. Until then, they’re playing us all, and it’s fucking frustrating watching reasonably intelligent people turned into lemmings.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Kiloalpha

[Sua Sponte]

6 hours ago, Kiloalpha said:

You should be. I paid good money to get a degree in HS Civics that qualifies me to make one hell of a coffee at Starbucks. Speaking of which, what was your order again?

If you’re comparing your four year degree to a HS Civics lesson either you went to the most robust HS Civics program in the US, or your college is scholastically on par with Trident or Capella. My Poli Sci degree landed me a Masters in Cybersecurity from Georgetown, a doctoral program, and a almost six figure military contractor job. My class president, a Poli Sci major, is currently on his full ride to Harvard Law. Sounds like YMMV.

Edited October 31, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[brickhistory]

Can I get that 1/2 decaf, please?

[Sim]

2 hours ago, drewpey said:

There is no shortage of conservative subs and opinions, that's for sure

They literary banned entire 8,000,000 strong The_Donald supporting sub. They changed voting algorithm to suppress it.  And then banned it.  Now try to post anything conservative on /politics. Instant ban.  reddit is a bigger eco chamber than tweeter. 

Btw - The_Donald now lives under its own webpage https://thedonald.win/  

 

You're asking about news? https://rantingly.com/  or https://bonginoreport.com/ 

 

[Sim]

2 hours ago, drewpey said:

Despite being unable to produce evidence of widespread voter fraud, I think he is trying to foment enough discord in these states to excuse himself into getting the state legislators to disregard the results and send their own electors.  All legal within the constitution, but still fucked up and at this point I wouldn't put it past him

Ok. Since you asked. 

Woman arrested in Vanderburgh county for pre checking boxes on 400+ ballots

https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/vanderburgh-county-woman-facing-felony-election-fraud-charge/

Butler county Pennsylvania loses untold number of mail in ballots

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/10/28/butler-county-elections-director-says-postal-service-lost-mail-in-ballots/

Ballots stolen from mail boxes and discarded on roadsides in Washington town

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ballots-stolen-from-mailboxes-discarded-on-roadsides-in-washington-town

Group claims 400,000 ballots sent to residents who moved out of state or died in California

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/10/15/nearly-400000-california-ballots-sent-to-people-who-moved-out-of-state-or-died/

Texas officer & poll watcher testifies on 2020 Houston Voting Fraud Using stacks of drivers licenses , (has photos)

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2084295714190/exclusive-texas-poll-watcher-testifies-on-2020-voter-fraud-in-houston-has-photos

West Palm Beach residents receive duplicate ballots and ballots for dead relatives

https://www.wpbf.com/article/duplicate-ballots-sealed-envelopes-dead-relatives-voters-raise-mail-in-ballot-concerns/34198409

Pennsylvania postal employee on leave and now fired after bags of mail discovered outside of home put out for trash pickup

https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylvania-postal-worker-on-leave-after-bags-of-undelivered-mail-found-outside-home

25,263 ballots rejected in Colorado primary

https://www.cpr.org/2020/10/08/colorado-vote-by-mail-ballots-rejected-signatures/

Double absentee ballots sent to residents in Henrico county

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/09/22/double-absentee-ballots-accidentally-sent-some-henrico-voters/

Pa rejects 336,000 duplicate ballot requests 34,000 rejected for other reasons . Many voters request ballots up to 11 times

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2020/10/16/pennsylvania-rejected-mail-ballot-applications-duplicates-voters/stories/202010160153

Mecklenburg residents receiving double ballots due to labelling glitch

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article245761310.html

San Mateo residents receive multiple ballots

https://abc7news.com/mail-in-ballot-california-2020-election-san-mateo-county-double-two-ballots/7006753/

Multiple absentee ballot applications showing up at Flint Michigan homes

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/multiple-absentee-ballot-applications-being-sent-to-mid-michigan-homes

Florida man arrested for obtaining dead wife's ballot and forging signature to "test the system"

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-man-who-tried-to-get-ballot-for-dead-wife-arrested

Election officials ask voters to not disinfect their mail in ballots as handfulls have already arrived destroyed and unable to be tabulated

https://www.kcra.com/article/election-officials-ask-voters-stop-disinfecting-mail-in-ballots/34336823

400 duplicate ballots sent to local voters in Richmond

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/roughly-400-local-voters-receive-two-ballots-officials-say-errors-wont-lead-to-double-votes/article_934f11bf-8825-5f2f-8391-8cdbe707cd7a.html

Duplicate ballots sent to "some" in North Carolina. How many? Who knows.

https://www.wxii12.com/article/duplicate-ballots-sent-to-some-north-carolina-voters/34056922

Placer county residents receiving duplicate ballots

https://www.kcra.com/article/thousands-of-second-ballots-mailed-placer-county-voters/34306099

Bay area voters receive multiple ballots

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-voters-receive-multiple-ballots-fuel-concern-over-november-election/2378192/

USPS confirms missing ballots, never made it to residents of Seminole county. How many? Who knows

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/10/06/usps-confirms-missing-ballots-but-doesnt-have-any-additional-information/

Board of elections resends 99,000+ ballots in Brooklyn . Officials worry numerous originals already filled out and sent off

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/board-of-elections-resends-99k-ballots-in-brooklyn-amid-snafu

50,000 ballots in Ohio sent to wrong addresses

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/09/ohio-county-wrong-ballots-428350

500,000 ballots in Virginia labelled with wrong return address

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-wrong-mail-in-ballots-fairfax-virginia/65-94c4847c-63fb-4a93-bac5-9bb45df00a8d

Glitch sends duplicate ballots in pittsburg Allegheny county

https://www.wesa.fm/post/glitch-sends-duplicate-ballots-voters-system-prevents-double-voting-county-says#stream/0

Glitch sends duplicate ballots to Needham town residents

https://needham.wickedlocal.com/news/20200818/needham-town-clerk-several-voters-received-duplicate-ballot-after-possible-glitch

Detroit elections, where 72% of absentee votes do not match registered voters

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/20/benson-asked-investigate-detroit-perfect-storm-voting-problems/5616629002/

80,000 ballots dissappeared in baltimore

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-voting-snafu-update-20180625-story.html

New York voting official warns people will use dead people to vote, and a few have

https://www.newsweek.com/mail-voting-ballots-deceased-1531481

Michigan secretary misprinted military absentee ballots . 400 already issued

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/09/president-trump-goes-after-michigan-secretary-of-state-again-over-ballot-misprint.html

Mail in ballots found in road ditch in Wisconsin

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/23/mailed-in-ballots-found-tossed-in-wisconsin-ditch/

4 officials arrested in ballot harvesting scheme

https://www.kltv.com/2020/09/24/gregg-county-commissioner-others-arrested-alleged-vote-harvesting-scheme/

9 military mail in ballots thrown in dumpster in PA

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/poconos-coal/fbi-psp-probing-9-discarded-ballots-in-luzerne-county/article_249405da-fea4-11ea-a8d7-b7faa419550f.html

134 felony voter fraud charges announced in Dem primary

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-voter-fraud

New Yorkers receiving ballots with wrong names and adresses

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518682-new-yorkers-report-receiving-ballots-with-wrong-name-voter-addresses

Queens voters receiving military ballots

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/nyc-voters-wrongly-getting-mail-in-ballots-marked-for-military-use/

Sun sentinel detailing Florida voting fraud

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-menge-mail-in-ballots-fraud-florida-20200416-hanmbneuendpbaftyktpactlga-story.html

Ballot harvesting scam exposed in minneapolis

https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/minneapolis-police-probing-alleged-ballot-harvesting-claims/

1 in 4 " A Quarter" of election officials quit due to the new election law and chaos of mail in ballots

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/mail-ballot-law-pennsylvania-has-driven-out-nearly-quarter-state-n1240504

Texas Official arrested on felony election fraud charges

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-official-arrested-felony-election-fraud-charges-could-face-99-year-sentence-1534183

Patterson city council official arrested along with 4 others in ballot fraud scheme

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/paterson-city-council-vice-president-among-4-charged-with-voting-fraud-in-may-special-election-nj-ag/2484797/

Yes America! Plenty of voter fraud

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/yes-america-there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it

D.C voters receiving ballots for ex residents with some receiving up to 5 multiple ballots

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-voters-are-being-sent-mail-in-ballots-for-ex-residents

Numerous reports of people going door to door illegally collecting ballots

https://www.newsweek.com/ballot-vote-maryland-collect-anne-arundel-1535901

Project Veritas uncovers ballot fraud in San Antonio . 7,000 ballots compromised , likely up to 14,000

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politics/texas_legislature/article/Project-Veritas-activists-release-San-Antonio-15679739.php

Orono, Maine Woman charged for casting roommates ballot

https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/27/politics/orono-woman-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-former-roommates-ballot/

Man Arrested in Luzerne county for trying to cast ballot for dead Wife

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/luzerne-county/man-arrested-for-voter-fraud-in-luzerne-county/523-7fc4fd2f-9105-47e7-a510-2b5ff176ab2c

 

Postal Carrier in Miami arrested and charged with stealing ballots and gift cards

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/postal-carrier-accused-stealing-mail-ballot-miami-73713450

Poll worker in Germantown maryland caught filling out / fixing ballots

(Video) https://youtu.be/hJexWG7TJQI

https://www.financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2020/10/voter-fraud-caught-on-camera-poll-worker-appears-to-write-on-ballot/

Ballot box containing ballots set on fire from the inside in Baldwin Park california

https://youtu.be/Sey68e3kbWM

300 Pounds of mail including ballots found in dumpster in New Jersey

https://mb.ntd.com/piles-of-mail-including-ballots-found-in-dumpster-in-new-jersey_514529.html

6 USPS postal mail boxes tampered with in Richmond VA

https://www.localdvm.com/news/virginia/mail-collection-boxes-tampered-with-at-6-usps-locations-across-central-virginia c/

2,100 residents in woodland hills receive faulty ballots

https://www.kcra.com/article/2100-los-angeles-county-voters-receive-faulty-ballots/34289550

5,500 sample ballots sent in New Hampshire not labeled as "sample" leads many to believe they are legit election ballots

https://www.wmur.com/article/unlabeled-sample-absentee-ballots-new-hampshire/34394841

1,500 ballots in Kansas not counted in primary

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kansas/articles/2020-09-25/1-500-mail-ballots-arrived-too-late-to-count-in-kansas

Ballot printing error in sanpete Utah leaves 13,000 ballots with no where to put signature

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/14/ballot-printing-error/

Alaska, voter mistakes put many ballots on track for rejection 3 weeks out

https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/10/15/voter-mistakes-put-many-mail-in-ballots-on-track-for-rejection-3-weeks-before-election-day/

Ballots found damaged and vandalized in Billings Montana

https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/billings-residents-report-missing-vandalized-ballots/article_7ccc48bf-8b31-55a0-b264-eca5a4e877b7.html

USPS Bins with 112 ballots found in dumpster in louisville Kentucky

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/over-100-undelivered-absentee-ballots-found-discarded-in-dumpster

60,000 ballots in Pennsylvania unaccounted for.

https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-mail-ballots-delayed-25-days-until-election-1537824

Landlord in Las vegas received 18 ballots for Tennant's he's never had

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1316833363169284104

Tiktok video allegedly showing someone filling out multiple ballots in California

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/10/13/eric-trump-says-the-campaign-will-be-taking-immediate-legal-action-over-a-tiktok-video-allegedly-showing-a-person-filling-out-multiple-ballots/

Utah man finds ballots in dumpster

https://news/local-news/utah-man-concerned-about-finding-voters-ballots-in-dumpster

29,000 incorrect ballots sent out in Philly due to mapping error

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/error-leads-to-30k-pa-voters-receiving-incorrect-ballots/

Election workers swamped with requests for multiple absentee ballots from "same people"

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/politics/elections/election-workers-swamped-multiple-absentee-ballot-requests-same-people/275-8dc73fb0-a9e4-424b-a019-fda28130b517

Ballots for deceased voter raises concern in L.a county

https://www.dailynews.com/ballot-for-deceased-voter-raises-concerns-about-l-a-county-election-integrity

Kern country voter receives 3 ballots

https://bakersfieldnow.com/newsletter-daily/duplicate-ballot-confusion-kern-county-voter-receives-three-ballots-for-nov-3-election

1000 duplicate ballots sent in Fairfax county

https://wjla.com/news/local/voters-alert-7-on-your-side-after-receiving-duplicate-mail-in-ballots

Discarded mail in ballots found dumped in Joshua tree park in San bernadino CA

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/10/08/mail-including-voter-ballots-found-discarded-twentynine-palms-joshua-tree/

Some Ohio Residents report recieving damaged ballots

https://www.statenews.org/post/some-ohio-voters-report-receiving-damaged-ballots

Thief caught on camera stealing ballots from mail boxes

https://streamable.com/z94se1

Hall county nebraska. 21 residents receive duplicate ballots

https://nebraska.tv/news/hall-county-issues-21-duplicate-ballots

Texas mayoral candidate arrested for election fraud, charged with over 100 counts

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/08/voting-fraud-arrest-carrollton/

39 Colorado counties have more voters than people, is now being sued

https://www.wnd.com/2020/10/colorado-sued-voters-people/

USPS Employee arrested for dumping mail which included 99 ballots

https://www.radio.com/1010wins/news/usps-mail-carrier-arrested-for-dumping-election-ballots

19 illegals busted voting in 2016. 2 re entered n re voted in this year's primary

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-foreign-nationals-indicted-illegally-voting-2016-elections

1000 people voted twice in georgia

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-official-claims-1-000-people-illegally-voted-twice-in-primaries/ar-BB18PGvz?li=BB141NW3

Mail truck catches fire destroying thousands of ballots

https://amp.dailyrecord.com/amp/3257291001

200,000 ballots sent to wrong addresses in nevada

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-08-10-more-than-200000-ballots-in-nevada-mailed-to-the-wrong-addresses/

Entire NJ election called a do over due to ballot fraud

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/paterson-press/2020/08/11/paterson-nj-election-rivals-agree-do-over-council-election/3343160001/

New jersey man votes 3 times

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-man-arrested-vote-fraud-charge

Kansas Republican + 4 others charged in ballot fraud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/kansas-republican-charged-with-three-felonies-in-voter-fraud-investigation/2020/07/14/7d0fe8c2-c629-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

200,000 purged from rolls in New york

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html

Deceased cat receives ballot

https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895

NY election disaster, over a month to count ballots , ballots lost n desytoyed

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yorks-mail-vote-disaster-11595286912

L.A. Man charged for voting in 3 elections using his dead mother

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-18/la-county-man-accused-of-voting-in-three-elections-as-his-dead-mother

10s of thousands of ballots thrown out in primary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tens-of-thousands-of-mail-ballots-have-been-tossed-out-in-this-years-primaries-what-will-happen-in-november/2020/07/16/fa5d7e96-c527-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

100,000 ballots thrown out in California

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2020/0714/Why-California-threw-out-100-000-mail-in-primary-ballots

23,000 ballots thrown out in Wisconsin

https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/07/23/wisconsin-absentee-ballot-rejections

Thousands of ballots thown out due to tardiness

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/889751095/signed-sealed-undelivered-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-rejected-for-tardiness

Mail in ballot experiment fails with lost , late n damaged ballots.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/

Woman arrested forging ballots in plymouth

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/plymouth-township-woman-charged-with-election-law-forgery-over-absentee-voter-ballot

As the new York times claims ballots are secure in 2020. in 2012 they wrote ballots were extremely open to fraud , mistakes and issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

(Study estimate)28,000,000 ballots lost in last 3 elections

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html

Postal worker arrested for changing party affiliation on ballots

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506869-postal-worker-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-after-changing

18,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/

3 Months later it's 35,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/09/17/more-than-35-000-mail-in-ballots-were-rejected-in-florida-primary-1317327

Thosands of ballots left on floor of building in North jersey

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/paterson/2020/08/14/paterson-nj-election-ballots-were-left-floor-post-office-says/5582951002/

Investigation as piles of mail found dumped in parking lot in california

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515442-investigation-underway-after-bags-of-mail-found-dumped-in-los-angeles

1.6 million more voters than registered in 19 california counties, L.A has 117% voter registration

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/01/07/five_states_face_federal_lawsuit_over_inaccurate_voter_registrations__142089.html

 

[Guardian]

Yeah but where’s the proof?

(Dude......)

[Kiloalpha]

57 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

If you’re comparing your four year degree to a HS Civics lesson either you went to the most robust HS Civics program in the US, or your college is scholastically on par with Trident or Capella. My Poli Sci degree landed me a Masters in Cybersecurity from Georgetown, a doctoral program, and a almost six figure military contractor job. My class president, a Poli Sci major, is in college is currently on his full ride to Harvard Law. Sounds like YMMV.

It was tongue-in-cheek, just using commonly thrown insults. My Poli-Sci degree has been invaluable. In fact, I wouldn’t trade it for the world (but I do wish I double-majored in Business). 

I’m in complete agreement on the average Civics education being God-awful.

 

[SurelySerious]

15 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

 

I’m in complete agreement on the average Civics education being God-awful.

 

Absolutely.

[Danger41]

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

-Churchill

[Seadogs]

I'm calling it for Trump now. Biden is visiting Minnesota, when everyone is saying Texas is a tossup. Biden should be living in Texas if that were true. Trafalgar has Trump up in Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Close in Wisconsin. People are going to be so mad this upcoming Tuesday.

[Kiloalpha]

1 minute ago, Seadogs said:

I'm calling it for Trump now. Biden is visiting Minnesota, when everyone is saying Texas is a tossup. Biden should be living in Texas if that were true. Trafalgar has Trump up in Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Close in Wisconsin. People are going to be so mad this upcoming Tuesday.

Nah. Biden was just in Georgia, which is Republican territory. I wouldn’t read into that.

[Seadogs]

1 minute ago, Kiloalpha said:

Nah. Biden was just in Georgia, which is Republican territory. I wouldn’t read into that.

It's laughable that he is in Georgia. Georgia is not going blue this cycle, not a chance in hell. Early voting had to be 2-1 favored for democrats. It is now close in MI and WI. FL is going red, IA, OH. NC is close but will go red in the end. Trump is pushing for Nevada and Minnesota, pulling ad funding from FL into MN. Biden knows he is in trouble. 

[dream big]

10 hours ago, Seadogs said:

I'm calling it for Trump now. Biden is visiting Minnesota, when everyone is saying Texas is a tossup. Biden should be living in Texas if that were true. Trafalgar has Trump up in Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Close in Wisconsin. People are going to be so mad this upcoming Tuesday.

His handlers believe him coming to Texas and making an ass of himself would do more damage to him than just staying away and letting Bloomberg’s corrupt $$ doing the trick!

[Sim]

11 hours ago, Danger41 said:

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

-Churchill

That tends to happen when people go through NPC University. 

[ViperMan]

I hope all you guys saying Trump has got it locked up are right - for two reasons. I can't imagine what handing the country over to people who don't know the difference between a boy and a girl will be like, and secondly, the YouTube videos of the liberal tears are going to be even sweeter this time around...that said, I have my doubts. We'll have to wait and see.

[Seadogs]

9 hours ago, dream big said:

His handlers believe him coming to Texas and making an ass of himself would do more damage to him than just staying away and letting Bloomberg’s corrupt $$ doing the trick!

Texas might go in 2024 or 2028 for sure. That will be scary for Republicans. "Maybe so sir, but not today."

 

3 hours ago, ViperMan said:

I hope all you guys saying Trump has got it locked up are right - for two reasons. I can't imagine what handing the country over to people who don't know the difference between a boy and a girl will be like, and secondly, the YouTube videos of the liberal tears are going to be even sweeter this time around...that said, I have my doubts. We'll have to wait and see.

TargetSmart, a left leaning data service is collecting VBM and other statistics. Remember when they said the "Red Mirage" will happen and mail-in-ballots will flood in after election day? Well WI and MI supreme courts voted that down. Now democrats are begging people to go vote in person now. On top of all of this, on TargetSmart's website, MI and WI VBM statistics have Republicans and democrats neck in neck, when democrats needs a 2-1 advantage in order to see their "bLuE wAvE!11!!!". 

 

No one will have the answer until the day, but I'm going to call it here. Trump has AZ, TX, GA, FL, OH, IA. If he wins WI and MI that night, then we will have our answer and no waiting. If he loses any of those states for some "weird" reason, then we will have to wait a week for two for NC or PA. This is also assuming MN, NV, and NH tilt blue this election cycle too. 

[Negatory]

Another rational decision in the best interest of the USA, as well as all of you.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-approves-selling-f-22-raptor-to-israel-report/

[brabus]

So Israel is going to foot some/all of a $10B bill to restart production? Suspect...but I’m all for them/LM doing this and the USAF piggybacking on it. I’m also not holding my breath. 

[Danger41]

Maybe get the Aussies, Brits, Kiwis, and Canucks to get in on it and make Air Dominance great again!

[Negatory]

Kind of begs the question because it seems like you're all on board: what technologies are worth keeping domestic due to the security risk? Would you sell F-22's to Russia if they would pay to open the production line? How bout somewhere like Turkey? Would you sell other technologies just because they would pay for a portion of them?

This isn't as black and white as you guys are making it seem.

[17D_guy]

47 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Kind of begs the question because it seems like you're all on board: what technologies are worth keeping domestic due to the security risk? Would you sell F-22's to Russia if they would pay to open the production line? How bout somewhere like Turkey? Would you sell other technologies just because they would pay for a portion of them?

This isn't as black and white as you guys are making it seem.

Come on, when has Israel every done anything not in the interest of America?!

[brabus]

7 hours ago, Negatory said:

Kind of begs the question because it seems like you're all on board: what technologies are worth keeping domestic due to the security risk? Would you sell F-22's to Russia if they would pay to open the production line? How bout somewhere like Turkey? Would you sell other technologies just because they would pay for a portion of them?

This isn't as black and white as you guys are making it seem.

Israel yes, Russia/Turkey no. Basically most of the F-35 countries would be fine for an F-22. It’s very dependent on the country and how their goals/foreign policy aligns with ours. I think you know that though, or at least I hope you do.

Edited November 1, 2020 by brabus

[dream big]

16 hours ago, ViperMan said:

I hope all you guys saying Trump has got it locked up are right - for two reasons. I can't imagine what handing the country over to people who don't know the difference between a boy and a girl will be like, and secondly, the YouTube videos of the liberal tears are going to be even sweeter this time around...that said, I have my doubts. We'll have to wait and see.

The only downside to a Trump victory is the insane rioting from the jobless left / Antifa / BLM that is about to go down.  Thankfully I live in a small Texas town that understands civility despite which side you are on, but man, I don’t envy those in a big city right now.  
 

Also, the media wants Trump to win.  He is their punching bag and scapegoat.  Who else will cover their news cycle? He’s probably the source of most of their profits! They should thank him one day. 

Edited November 1, 2020 by dream big

[Negatory]

5 hours ago, brabus said:

Israel yes, Russia/Turkey no. Basically most of the F-35 countries would be fine for an F-22. It’s very dependent on the country and how their goals/foreign policy aligns with ours. I think you know that though, or at least I hope you do.

It’s fine, I’ll drop this for internet discussion. I am plenty qualified on foreign policy/acquisitions and have valid reasons for my opinions, so I don’t need any holier than thou condescension.

[brabus]

Didn’t intend to come off that way; simply answering your question on who I think we can sell raptors to. I’m inferring that you are against it, is that correct?