The Next President is...

[17D_guy]

5 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

Admittedly this was pre-WhuFlu but employment rates were at record lows. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/economy/black-unemployment-rate/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/black-and-hispanic-unemployment-is-at-a-record-low.html

Yeah...so...who cares?  This is very much what have you done for me lately.  The R's...nothing.

4 hours ago, torqued said:

This morning, I waited 1.5 hours outside in the rain, in a line that stretched around the courthouse to vote early. No one in line was wearing political gear, but many were wearing red.

Around the town square, people were in chairs under umbrellas holding Trump signs while the passing traffic honked, gave thumbs up, etc.

I got inside, got my ballot from the clerk who said it had been like this for days. ( I know, I stopped by two other days last week and the line was too long). As I'm voting, the clerk explains to the 50-60 year old man immediately behind me that he could vote a straight ticket if he wanted. He said "What's that mean? I'm sorry, I've never voted before."

That's just my little corner of the world, but I have never ever seen anything like it, and neither had anyone around me in line I was talking to.

Good!

[filthy_liar]

My question to the liberals on this board is, what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.  In case you didn't ask, I'll tell you what I stand for.  I stand for liberty.  Freedom.  I live on 37 acres.  In the woods.  Rural.  Can't get that easy anywhere else on earth. I treasure that.  That's liberty (From HOAs) and freedom.  I make my own decisions.  The grocery store is pretty far down the road.  I have a garden. I have a well.  I have chickens and goats.  Whenever I decide I need to gather up a burn pile of deadfall that's the size of a Dominos store, I pile it up and burn it. I treasure that.  There are no restrictions.  There are no HOAs.  I look at people that live in urban and suburban life and I can see why they would want to depend on the government, especially if it all went down hill.  I want as little gov't involvement as possible, especially if it goes down hill.  Have liberals given up on being independent and pioneering?

/Rant/ Males (definitely not men) in this country have devolved to phoning it in to living in the suburbs.  They don't know how to change a tire.  They don't don't know how to grow food.  They don't know how to fish.  They certainly can't field dress a deer. They don't know how to do anything except to watch Netflix and order in.  They are all caught up in the liberal bullshit of the day: transgender/#metoo/blacklivesmatter. Maybe that's ok for generations that are overtaking me.  I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.  

/Rant off/

 

[FLEA]

18 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

My question to the liberals on this board is, what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.  In case you didn't ask, I'll tell you what I stand for.  I stand for liberty.  Freedom.  I live on 37 acres.  In the woods.  Rural.  Can't get that easy anywhere else on earth. I treasure that.  That's liberty (From HOAs) and freedom.  I make my own decisions.  The grocery store is pretty far down the road.  I have a garden. I have a well.  I have chickens and goats.  Whenever I decide I need to gather up a burn pile of deadfall that's the size of a Dominos store, I pile it up and burn it. I treasure that.  There are no restrictions.  There are no HOAs.  I look at people that live in urban and suburban life and I can see why they would want to depend on the government, especially if it all went down hill.  I want as little gov't involvement as possible, especially if it goes down hill.  Have liberals given up on being independent and pioneering?

/Rant/ Males (definitely not men) in this country have devolved to phoning it in to living in the suburbs.  They don't know how to change a tire.  They don't don't know how to grow food.  They don't know how to fish.  They certainly can't field dress a deer. They don't know how to do anything except to watch Netflix and order in.  They are all caught up in the liberal bullshit of the day: transgender/#metoo/blacklivesmatter. Maybe that's ok for generations that are overtaking me.  I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.  

/Rant off/

 

Not a liberal but literally NONE of that matters. Although I'm sure some grandpa's back during WW2 bemoaned that the worlds greatest generation didn't know how to change wagon wheels or work a plow. 

 

The world is changing. Self sufficiency is a nice ideal but you have to recognize civilization is held on the pillars of cooperation, not on the pillars of individualism. 

[drewpey]

8 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

My question to the liberals on this board is, what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.  In case you didn't ask, I'll tell you what I stand for.  I stand for liberty.  Freedom.  I live on 37 acres.  In the woods.  Rural.  Can't get that easy anywhere else on earth. I treasure that.  That's liberty (From HOAs) and freedom.  I make my own decisions.  The grocery store is pretty far down the road.  I have a garden. I have a well.  I have chickens and goats.  Whenever I decide I need to gather up a burn pile of deadfall that's the size of a Dominos store, I pile it up and burn it. I treasure that.  There are no restrictions.  There are no HOAs.  I look at people that live in urban and suburban life and I can see why they would want to depend on the government, especially if it all went down hill.  I want as little gov't involvement as possible, especially if it goes down hill.  Have liberals given up on being independent and pioneering?

/Rant/ Males (definitely not men) in this country have devolved to phoning it in to living in the suburbs.  They don't know how to change a tire.  They don't don't know how to grow food.  They don't know how to fish.  They certainly can't field dress a deer. They don't know how to do anything except to watch Netflix and order in.  They are all caught up in the liberal bullshit of the day: transgender/#metoo/blacklivesmatter. Maybe that's ok for generations that are overtaking me.  I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.  

/Rant off/

 

Please tell me...do you masturbate while looking at ol stars and stripes?

You seem to have an interesting view on how everyone else besides you lives.  Where did the suburbs touch you?

Gotta go...have to catch up on the liberal bullshit of the day!

[filthy_liar]

So, idiot responses. As expected.  Good job.

[FLEA]

2 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

So, idiot responses. As expected.  Good job.

In all seriousness what did you expect. You clearly live in a bubble. You can change tires and grow your own food, great.  What about your interpersonal skills?

[DosXX]

22 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.

I try not to base my world view solely on my self interest, but on what I feel will make the world a better place. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't.

25 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

There are no HOAs.

Really got it out for them HOAs.

27 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

Males (definitely not men)

(Definitely not insecure about masculinity, now check out the muffler on my lifted truck)

29 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.

I'm genuinely glad you found what makes you happy, but it's confusing to me why you care so much about what makes other people happy being the independent pioneer you are.

2 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

So, idiot responses. As expected.  Good job.

Very mature of you to follow up on your post with more insults. 

[N730]

So, idiot responses. As expected.  Good job.

Yeah, damn liberals and their...grocery stores?

But you're right, I guess I should have given you more of a response.

I'm really glad that your farming and hunting has given you such fulfillment. Seriously, it's awesome. But just because you like your way of life, doesn't mean everyone else would. And it definitely doesn't mean they are lesser men because they don't.

I guarantee the vast majority of people on this board, conservative or liberal, old or young, don't live semi-isolated on 37 acres. Sorry those of us that live in cities and suburbs and dont grow or hunt most of our food are such a disappointment to you. But the ability to field dress a deer has nothing to do with the quality of a person or their "manliness".

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[N730]

In all seriousness what did you expect. You clearly live in a bubble. You can change tires and grow your own food, great.  What about your interpersonal skills?

From the little evidence we have so far, I'd guess there is room for improvement.

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[filthy_liar]

Not one of you morons answered the question.  I didn't expect anything less.  Just insults.  Good job.  Thank you, liberals.

 

[filthy_liar]

32 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Not a liberal but literally NONE of that matters. Although I'm sure some grandpa's back during WW2 bemoaned that the worlds greatest generation didn't know how to change wagon wheels or work a plow. 

 

The world is changing. Self sufficiency is a nice ideal but you have to recognize civilization is held on the pillars of cooperation, not on the pillars of individualism. 

What?  Did you just read what you just typed?  The world is changing?  Thanks for coming out.

 

[FLEA]

1 minute ago, filthy_liar said:

What?  Did you just read what you just typed?  The world is changing?  Thanks for coming out.

 

[DosXX]

55 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

Not one of you morons answered the question.  I didn't expect anything less.  Just insults.  Good job.  Thank you, liberals.

 

I thought getting triggered was a lib thing? 

Look man, the only one name calling insults here is you, everyone else is either making fun of arrogant and denigrating parts of your post or responding to some of the things you said in good faith. If you ask genuine questions you will get genuine responses, as has been shown time and time again on this forum. Don't expect respect if you don't give it. Don't know how you haven't learned that one yet.

[Lord Ratner]

7 hours ago, FLEA said:

Not a liberal but literally NONE of that matters. Although I'm sure some grandpa's back during WW2 bemoaned that the worlds greatest generation didn't know how to change wagon wheels or work a plow. 

 

The world is changing. Self sufficiency is a nice ideal but you have to recognize civilization is held on the pillars of cooperation, not on the pillars of individualism. 

Individualism, yes. It's why we are different from so many other civilizations.

 

Isolation, no.

[Sim]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/27/the-hunter-biden-scandal-has-exposed-the-corporate-presss-corruption-and-condescension/

 

 

Remember! Left thinks all of it is russian disinformation! 

Edited October 28, 2020 by Sim

[FLEA]

17 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Individualism, yes. It's why we are different from so many other civilizations.

 

Isolation, no.

I think we are talking different things. Society in general requires cooperation to exist. It's what allowed humans to cheat evolution and humans by nature are social creatures and require social contact. 

 

US culture though is generally rated as more individual than any other culture in the world on the Hofstede scale. But this is usually in context of views on human rights. 

https://www.hofstede-insights.com/product/compare-countries/

Edited October 28, 2020 by FLEA

[Lord Ratner]

1 minute ago, FLEA said:

I think we are talking different things. Society in general requires cooperation to exist. It's what allowed humans to cheat evolution and humans by nature are social creatures and require social contact. 

 

US culture though is generally rated as more individual than any other culture in the world on the Hofstede scale. But this is usually in context of views on human rights. 

https://www.hofstede-insights.com/product/compare-countries/

We agree, but individualism is one of the key elements that made us (and thus the rest of the world) thrive. We do not believe in responsibility to the collective. That doesn't mean we don't cooperate, we just do it on our terms.

 

Numb nuts on his 37 acres is just an isolationist. Glad he had the freedom to do it, but it doesn't push the society forward, and if everyone wanted that, we'd get nowhere.

[slackline]

We agree, but individualism is one of the key elements that made us (and thus the rest of the world) thrive. We do not believe in responsibility to the collective. That doesn't mean we don't cooperate, we just do it on our terms.
 
Numb nuts on his 37 acres is just an isolationist. Glad he had the freedom to do it, but it doesn't push the society forward, and if everyone wanted that, we'd get nowhere.

I think this whole thing with our homesteading friend is hilarious. Clearly demonstrates the sliding scale we use to “judge” others. Because you guys don’t agree with his perspective he labels you guys “liberals”. A label I believe you guys would reject if I’m not mistaken. And funny how “liberal” is pejorative now. I consider myself an open-minded conservative, but others here would label me a “liberal” as if it was some damning insult...


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[jazzdude]

My question to the liberals on this board is, what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.  In case you didn't ask, I'll tell you what I stand for.  I stand for liberty.  Freedom.  I live on 37 acres.  In the woods.  Rural.  Can't get that easy anywhere else on earth. I treasure that.  That's liberty (From HOAs) and freedom.  I make my own decisions.  The grocery store is pretty far down the road.  I have a garden. I have a well.  I have chickens and goats.  Whenever I decide I need to gather up a burn pile of deadfall that's the size of a Dominos store, I pile it up and burn it. I treasure that.  There are no restrictions.  There are no HOAs.  I look at people that live in urban and suburban life and I can see why they would want to depend on the government, especially if it all went down hill.  I want as little gov't involvement as possible, especially if it goes down hill.  Have liberals given up on being independent and pioneering?
/Rant/ Males (definitely not men) in this country have devolved to phoning it in to living in the suburbs.  They don't know how to change a tire.  They don't don't know how to grow food.  They don't know how to fish.  They certainly can't field dress a deer. They don't know how to do anything except to watch Netflix and order in.  They are all caught up in the liberal bullshit of the day: transgender/#metoo/blacklivesmatter. Maybe that's ok for generations that are overtaking me.  I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.  
/Rant off/
 

You've got the benefit of space, and that's great. You've got enough land where you don't have to interact with people if you don't want to; "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone."

The challenge with cities is population density. More people living much closer together, which creates friction, and with that comes rules to reduce friction/conflict.

Industrialization concentrates populations, and encourages people to specialize in tasks. This also drives technological advances.

It's easy to call out others for lacking skills you have and thinking of them as lesser people for it. But maybe they aren't interested in your hobbies. Not saying that the skills you mentioned (changing a tire, fishing, hunting, etc) are bad; they're great. Are they essential? Depends on your outlook on society.

The heart of the matter is what the role of society should be. How individualistic should we be, and how much should we cooperate towards collective goals?

Ref. BLM/LGBT/etc, I think people just want to be treated as people. Sure there are some associated with those interest that want outlandish things, but I'd wager most just want to have an even footing in life so they can pursue their life/liberty/happiness. Some of the issues may be injustices/biases in our system/society-let's do some real root cause analysis as a society/state/country and fix it. We tend to ignore and kick societal issues down the road until it boils over into violence, so here we are...

[FLEA]

11 minutes ago, jazzdude said:

 

 

You've got the benefit of space, and that's great. You've got enough land where you don't have to interact with people if you don't want to; "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone."

The challenge with cities is population density. More people living much closer together, which creates friction, and with that comes rules to reduce friction/conflict.

Industrialization concentrates populations, and encourages people to specialize in tasks. This also drives technological advances.

It's easy to call out others for lacking skills you have and thinking of them as lesser people for it. But maybe they aren't interested in your hobbies. Not saying that the skills you mentioned (changing a tire, fishing, hunting, etc) are bad; they're great. Are they essential? Depends on your outlook on society.

The heart of the matter is what the role of society should be. How individualistic should we be, and how much should we cooperate towards collective goals?

Ref. BLM/LGBT/etc, I think people just want to be treated as people. Sure there are some associated with those interest that want outlandish things, but I'd wager most just want to have an even footing in life so they can pursue their life/liberty/happiness. Some of the issues may be injustices/biases in our system/society-let's do some real root cause analysis as a society/state/country and fix it. We tend to ignore and kick societal issues down the road until it boils over into violence, so here we are...

 

All really good points. I'd add that 80% of American society today lives in an urban environment. That number is expected to grow to 90% in the next few years. In general urban areas have higher economical impact and stability than rural areas. Its easy to say "just move to the country and live off the land" but we actually need people to live and work in cities and manufacture high end products to support our economy.

[Prozac]

8 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

My question to the liberals on this board is, what do you stand for?  What do you actually get up in the morning and think, if this went away, I'm doomed. Or if it goes this way, I've got it made in the shade.  In case you didn't ask, I'll tell you what I stand for.  I stand for liberty.  Freedom.  I live on 37 acres.  In the woods.  Rural.  Can't get that easy anywhere else on earth. I treasure that.  That's liberty (From HOAs) and freedom.  I make my own decisions.  The grocery store is pretty far down the road.  I have a garden. I have a well.  I have chickens and goats.  Whenever I decide I need to gather up a burn pile of deadfall that's the size of a Dominos store, I pile it up and burn it. I treasure that.  There are no restrictions.  There are no HOAs.  I look at people that live in urban and suburban life and I can see why they would want to depend on the government, especially if it all went down hill.  I want as little gov't involvement as possible, especially if it goes down hill.  Have liberals given up on being independent and pioneering?

/Rant/ Males (definitely not men) in this country have devolved to phoning it in to living in the suburbs.  They don't know how to change a tire.  They don't don't know how to grow food.  They don't know how to fish.  They certainly can't field dress a deer. They don't know how to do anything except to watch Netflix and order in.  They are all caught up in the liberal bullshit of the day: transgender/#metoo/blacklivesmatter. Maybe that's ok for generations that are overtaking me.  I don't subscribe to that mentality or lifestyle.  I think it is a shame.  

/Rant off/

 

Where is your land? How many hectares....um, I mean acres? Number of animals on said land? What do you grow there? Is it fertile? We must get this information to AOC ASAP so your land may be incorporated into a collective for glorious Socialist Republic of United States comrade!

[FLEA]

Just now, Prozac said:

Where is your land? How many hectares....um, I mean acres? Number of animals on said land? What do you grow there? Is it fertile? We must get this information to AOC ASAP so your land may be incorporated into a collective for glorious Socialist Republic of United States comrade!

Most important piece of info! 

[dream big]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

We agree, but individualism is one of the key elements that made us (and thus the rest of the world) thrive. We do not believe in responsibility to the collective. That doesn't mean we don't cooperate, we just do it on our terms.

 

Numb nuts on his 37 acres is just an isolationist. Glad he had the freedom to do it, but it doesn't push the society forward, and if everyone wanted that, we'd get nowhere.

He is at least right about one thing : as little government as possible.  Push power down to the states and local governments.  One seriously must be living in a bubble if they believe the answer to their problems is “more government.”  The government couldn’t run a convenience store without running it into the ground.  Seriously what is wrong with people? 

[Negatory]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/27/the-hunter-biden-scandal-has-exposed-the-corporate-presss-corruption-and-condescension/

 

 

Remember! Left thinks all of it is russian disinformation! 

Fox News and most other mainstream conservative news outlets also refuse to talk to the story. Why? Because there is almost no veracity to the outlandish claims. The truth is that these allegations are a hilarious Hail Mary to throw some dirt 2 weeks before the election.
 

Heres your choice: take the red pill and believe the unbacked up claims of the NYP (who are hilariously biased, they literally just endorsed Trump on their front page). Or take the blue pill and recognize that multiple CIA directors, national intelligence directors, defense intelligence specialists, and leaders in that community have all stated that this is overwhelmingly likely to be Russian disinformation. When did the whole of the US intelligence machine become a liberal hoax? Conspiracy theory is putting it lightly.

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As much as I don’t like the guy, someone like Biden was a really smart choice when it comes down to running against Trump. He is boring, old, probably a little slow in his mental capacities. But he’s not a pure criminal, and he hasn’t done too many shady things. Hearing Trump repeat the “Hillary for prison” chants at his rallies, just updating them to “Biden for prison” is honestly desperate and pathetic. This is the state of politics in 2020, and it’s a large reason why I’m voting the way I am.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131

 

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by Negatory

[Guardian]

No veracity based off what negatory? There are a lot of people who think it’s true. So you saying it’s not a thing or true needs to be backed up for us inquisitive voters.

Of note I didn’t realize this but some states allow you to change your vote. If any of you early voters are regretting your decision you might potentially be able to change it depending on the state.