FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[ellsworb]

There is NO integrity left in this system. None. It's gone.

[sky_king]

Wouldn't that be great? Get retained by the RIF board and then immediately passed over for promotion…there'll have to be a few...

The other direction will be better. Get RIF'd, but on the way out, get promoted to major.

[Bender]

this....i return next month...my PC application will be in before the new RIF PSDM is released.....assuming the above is true about them kicking them all back.

those of us in the MC-12 community just got this gem from APC after they changed our core IDs from 11M to 11R

latest guidance from AFPC "You will be in the 11R bucket (E-3, E8, RJ)..a return to MAF is unlikely"

I noticed my core flag had changed from "11M" to "11R" on my SURF the other day. It still shows "HB" as my RDTM though...which corresponds to "11MXB" (C-130E/H).

Quasi interesting reading on pilot manning (a bit dated, but this is a very complicated problem that will take centuries to solve, never mind the decades we've been dealing with it):

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1550/MR1550.ch4.pdf

The above document briefly touches on the origins of the RDTM system, but AFI 11-412, Flying Operations Aircrew Management, is the implementation document. It describes the RDTM as, "Rated officers are uniquely identified by their RDTM Code (Table 6.2) for the purposes of inventory management." No where in the document is Core ID referred to. The document is clearly a simple read and it's amazing that it can't be implemented effectively to avoid manning issues from occurring. Simple, simple indeed...

I was told, once upon a time, that the RDTM code was how your functional at AFPC was assigned. I can't vouch for any shred of truth to that statement, even years later, but if it were true, then changing one's "Core ID" would have no implication other than allowing one to be clumped into this "blue" box rather than that "blue" box. EDIT: VSP Matrix shows "11X and 12X eligibility is determined by an officer's RDTM Code", so it's not based on Core ID either.

While I have no interest in VSP, nor does the RIF concern me, the amount of ambivalence this is seemingly being addressed with is astounding to me. Maybe we should find a general to put in charge of AFPC that believes a priority of the center is to know how many people we have, what they are doing, then working with others to determine what we need. I would think this should be a 24/7/365 task for a personnel center, not something we struggle through when we're told we need to address end strength issues.

I honestly empathize for all of you that give a fuck about this; sounds tough.

Bendy

Edited February 22, 2014 by Bender

[matmacwc]

The IG is a broad sword, you must be ready to face the backlash. Be certain, then execute.

[tunes]

got my denial....eligible on every matrix and overage on rif matrix.

Your request to separate is being returned disapproved as you are currently ineligible for the FY14 Officer Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) program. Based on current delegated authorities, officers with ADSCs not listed as waiverable in PSDM 13-65, FY14 Officer Voluntary Force Management are not eligible for this program. Please continue to monitor the myPers website for announcements that could affect your eligibility. If the eligibility is expanded, you may reapply for VSP before the FY14 VSP window closes

[rbigred300]

Also got my denial....also eligible for everything according to the guidance. Sounds like everyone will get their denial if you have any UPT commitment and we can all agree that it's bullshit. However for the people talking about an IG complaint...this sounds very familiar to last time. I am wondering if anything actually changed or came out of the IG complaints last time around? Because it doesn't seem like it did anything. What is your goal for an IG complaint in this situation?

[Tonka]

Catbox, I'm a 98 11R passed over O-4. At KOFF we've already had a few guys denied, but the reasons given haven't made any sense. As passed over, we're supposed to be eligible and AFPC confirmed eligibility, but then denied claiming they were not eligible. Was told one guy called, talked to someone there, and got put back in the pool to get looked at again. Who knows at this point? Doubt the folks at AFPC even know.

Any other TERA denials? Approvals?

[Mountain]

I'm still waiting too, Tonka. No idea how this will play out for us selectively continued guys, but I'm hoping I'm just the kinda dude they want. To get rid of, that is. I've never been so hopeful to be rejected from something.

[Jughead]

The IG is a broad sword, you must be ready to face the backlash. Be certain, then execute.

This.

Pro tip: also talk to the ADC beforehand.

[WABoom]

Any other TERA denials? Approvals?

Major in my sq got denied TERA because he was in an AEF bucket, BS he's an Enabler, and the other stated reason was ADSC for a Safety School that was canceled months ago. He is fighting big blue right now, I will update if I hear anything.

[Nineline]

Major in my sq got denied TERA because he was in an AEF bucket, BS he's an Enabler, and the other stated reason was ADSC for a Safety School that was canceled months ago. He is fighting big blue right now, I will update if I hear anything.

Wait.. What? There's an ADSC for a 4 week course?

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[Fifty-six & Two]

Wait.. What? There's an ADSC for a 4 week course?

-9-

Doesn't IP school have an ADSC? That course is usually only a month or two.

[Nasty2004]

There's no ADSC for AMIC/ASPM. Yeah, IP school is a short course, but it costs a bit more than 4 weeks of classroom instruction, so it makes sense that there is an associated ADSC. Although there was no ADSC for my AC upgrade...

[chim richalds]

This brings back the question, why list overages and make certain boxes blue when you know that all of those people have to have a UPT ADSC still? This is the most fraudulent they have ever been.

[Mountain]

This brings back the question, why list overages and make certain boxes blue when you know that all of those people have to have a UPT ADSC still? This is the most fraudulent they have ever been.

Let's not give AFPC too much credit here. Fraudulence would imply some level of competence on their part.

[panchbarnes]

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/473377/af-announces-change-to-reduction-in-force-board-schedule.aspx

"Changes to the scheduled RIF board date will result in changes to the eligible population. Some officers initially eligible to meet the June board will no longer be eligible as adjustments are made to year groups. Likewise, some officers who were not initially RIF eligible could now be eligible."

Nice, another 12 months of uncertainty. This whole thing is dragging into 2015 and it will probably change a couple of more times along the way.

[HeloDude]

And senior officers wonder why many in the ranks don't believe in what AF management has to say. I was taught as young instructor that I had to establish credibility...I don't see much credibility with this issue.

[GKinnear]

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/473377/af-announces-change-to-reduction-in-force-board-schedule.aspx

"Changes to the scheduled RIF board date will result in changes to the eligible population. Some officers initially eligible to meet the June board will no longer be eligible as adjustments are made to year groups. Likewise, some officers who were not initially RIF eligible could now be eligible."

Nice, another 12 months of uncertainty. This whole thing is dragging into 2015 and it will probably change a couple of more times along the way.

Well it looks like the VSP matrix is unchanged, the RIF matrix has been removed from mypers.

Odds on the expiration date for the latest change?

[Sierra Hotel]

Any rumors on when the updated PSDM's will drop (presumably w/o 11M's eligible)? All of this just in time for the next VML... Let's see how "understanding" my leadership is when it is time to work my assignment. UFB.

[ClearedHot]

Latest update from AFPC

[Right Seat Driver]

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/473377/af-announces-change-to-reduction-in-force-board-schedule.aspx

"Changes to the scheduled RIF board date will result in changes to the eligible population. Some officers initially eligible to meet the June board will no longer be eligible as adjustments are made to year groups. Likewise, some officers who were not initially RIF eligible could now be eligible."

Nice, another 12 months of uncertainty. This whole thing is dragging into 2015 and it will probably change a couple of more times along the way.

Per af.mil: "That article is missing"

Edited February 20, 2014 by Right Seat Driver

[HoHum]

Anybody run the wickets on putting in a Palace Chase app now and also reapplying for VSP if/when it's available again? Would an open PC app block you from applying for VSP?

[Catbox]

I'm still waiting too, Tonka. No idea how this will play out for us selectively continued guys, but I'm hoping I'm just the kinda dude they want. To get rid of, that is. I've never been so hopeful to be rejected from something.

How the hell are you reading my thoughts?

[AnimalMother]

Article worked for me. It also mentioned Lt. Gen Sam Cox, so I googled him. Got this article: https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131231/NEWS/312310016/New-personnel-chief-Know-your-options-under-force-cuts

Checked his Bio, then checked the comments section for the above article. Tony Carr, whom I've been following after someone mentioned here on BO recently, had posted a comment:

Disconcerting. Everyone has been calling AFPC clowns out of frustration. But what's the real story? Perhaps Lt Gen Cox and others are as good as it gets, yet even they are unable to fix or improve the mess.

Too bad his RIF/VSP programs aren't as squared away as his custom tailored blues shirt and cufflinks. I didn't know that uniform modification was authorized.

On a more serious note, you've asked the million dollar question here. My guess is the answer is currently unpalatable to most people. We'll see how long that lasts...

[Mountain]

How the hell are you reading my thoughts?

Camera in your bathroom, how else?

Are you also still in the "FM-Hold Batch Processing" status? I thought you had mentioned previously you'd been denied. If that's not the case, I'm glad to hear it!