November 12, 20187 yr Worth a read for those who weren't around 20+ years ago... Quote Criticism Over Blast Leads Top Air Force General to Retire The top general of the Air Force said today that he would retire early, in part because he believed one or more Air Force officers would unfairly be held responsible for the terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 airmen last year, lawmakers and Pentagon officials said. The officer, Gen. Ronald R. Fogleman, said he would step down by Sept. 1, a year before his four-year term expires. General Fogleman, a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff since 1994, would become the first Air Force Chief of Staff to leave voluntarily before his tenure was up. General Fogleman, 56, a highly decorated Vietnam-era fighter pilot, has told associates in recent weeks that he would leave if Defense Secretary William S. Cohen punished Air Force commanders for failing to prevent the bombing, at the Khobar Towers housing complex in Dhahran. In a statement issued today, General Fogleman said his decision was intended to ''defuse the perceived confrontation between myself and Secretary Cohen.'' The general added, ''my values and sense of loyalty to the troops led me to the conclusion that I may be out of step.'' (Rest of article at title link)
November 14, 20187 yr If I wear my authorized parka with my ABUs will the shoe force come after me? They stripped me of my leather jacket with a fleece liner made by no other than Mr. Kim in Songtan. I must stay warm. #GP/CC #Hatespilots #Haterade Edited November 14, 20187 yr by HarleyQuinn
November 14, 20187 yr You an wear your leather jacket if you wear blues. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
November 14, 20187 yr 35 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: You an wear your leather jacket if you wear blues. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Good point! You are the freaking man! I didn't think of that at all. This is why I love this forum. That will definitely get underneath the GP/CC skin. Maybe he will come at me just like a spider monkey. Edited November 14, 20187 yr by HarleyQuinn
November 14, 20187 yr 7 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: Good point! You are the freaking man! I didn't think of that at all. This is why I love this forum. That will definitely get underneath the GP/CC skin. Maybe he will come at me just like a spider monkey. Blues, leather jacket, wheel cap. Go old school.
November 14, 20187 yr Be careful if they have a UOD defined then you might get in trouble for not wearing it. Which is crap, if these damn army flight suits become mandatory I'll just end up wearing my blues all the time.
November 15, 20187 yr Did it before when they forced us to wear ABUs if we were not flying until I got shut down for not wearing the UOD.
November 15, 20187 yr Reminds me of doing FTAC and not being able to wear my flight suit, but secfo were allowed to wear their berets. Cant wear the flight suit because it makes people feel left out. Cant wear the flight suit because everyone else has to wear ABU's, but secfo can wear their berets because they earned it. I thought wearing your leather jacket with blues was normal to cover up the lack of effort to keep ribbons up to date and the potentially missing name tag.
November 15, 20187 yr 7 minutes ago, Yaweh said: I thought wearing your leather jacket with blues was normal to cover up the lack of effort to keep ribbons up to date..... 🤔 When did officers (pilots, to be more accurate) started wearing ribbons on their blues? Edited November 15, 20187 yr by JeremiahWeed
November 15, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, JeremiahWeed said: 🤔 When did officers (pilots, to be more accurate) started wearing ribbons on their blues? That was an example during my Enlisted Aircrew days. Mostly a holdover because I never took them off the shirt.
November 16, 20187 yr [emoji848] When did officers (pilots, to be more accurate) started wearing ribbons on their blues?When they started going to FTAC?
November 16, 20187 yr 8 hours ago, Yaweh said: Reminds me of doing FTAC and not being able to wear my flight suit, but secfo were allowed to wear their berets. Cant wear the flight suit because it makes people feel left out. Cant wear the flight suit because everyone else has to wear ABU's, but secfo can wear their berets because they earned it. I thought wearing your leather jacket with blues was normal to cover up the lack of effort to keep ribbons up to date and the potentially missing name tag. SecFo “earned” their berets? If having the lowest ASVAB score amongst all AFSCs and checking ID cards makes you think you are badass then it’s no wonder other services make fun of us. There are grunts our there who do god’s most dangerous work and have legitimately earned those berets.
November 16, 20187 yr 7 hours ago, dream big said: SecFo... ...Side bar... Standing at the ops desk last month with a fellow pilot...he has 20+ years and I'm at 17+ (both prior-E) and neither of us had a fucking clue what the ARMS A1C was talking about when mentioned calling SecFo. Makes sense now, but that was the first time we've heard that term. We're both life long guard guys, so maybe we're just sheltered. ...Back to your regularly scheduled programing... What's wrong with the AF/ARC, is that they talk like they have a crisis on their hands but they won't, or are way to slow to, institute logical changes. On the ANG side, we also get to fight "optics issues" wrt to solving this manning problem. Anyway, do we have a fucking crisis or do we not? If I were a tin-foil hat guy, I would almost think they're purposely dragging their feet to justify stop loss.
November 16, 20187 yr Just a young and dumb guy's thoughts but it seems like the AF deals with a lot of paralysis thru analysis and a lack of people willing to pull the trigger and accept the consequences, either good or bad, on solutions, i.e. we know we have a problem but we need to do 69 surveys on it and once we dream up a solution no one is willing to sign off on it as they're afraid of the consequences. Edited November 16, 20187 yr by YoungnDumb grammar
November 16, 20187 yr 20 minutes ago, YoungnDumb said: Just a young and dumb guy's thoughts but it seems like the AF deals with a lot of paralysis thru analysis and a lack of people willing to pull the trigger and accept the consequences, either good or bad, on solutions, i.e. we know we have a problem but we need to do 69 surveys on it and once we dream up a solution no one is willing to sign off on it as they're afraid of the consequences. Part and parcel with one of the cancers that has been growing in AF leadership over the last 10-15 years: nobody wants to make a decision, lest their superior disagree with that decision and it reflect poorly on them. So, we have raised an entire generation of "leaders" (really "managers") who have to "run it up the chain" for absolutely every decision. And this attitude is reflected, now, by the superiors themselves, who expect this kind of "mother, may I" out of their subordinates. The grand result is that nobody is really empowered to make any decision, and few commanders have the balls to just make a decision <gasp> and risk their bosses not liking it.
November 16, 20187 yr I had my sit down with the GP/CC. Oh my f.... goodness. He just hates pilots and flight suits. "Flyers are treated differently and I want to promote "One Team, One Fight." Then the "Noner" word came out..LMAO. I countered with every airman is important to execution of the mission even if they don't deal directly with aircraft. In hostile environments, we ALL work together to defend the base no matter the uniform we wear. We sleep in the same accommodations, eat the same food, and return dirty to our dirty b-huts and CHUs. I honestly felt as though he was slightly intimidated by me. I left it at that and told him I would be a good follower, no doubt. I'm sorry BODN, but I had to say something right before my PRF is due. Edited November 16, 20187 yr by HarleyQuinn
November 16, 20187 yr I had my sit down with the GP/CC. Oh my f.... goodness. He just hates pilots and flight suits. "Flyers are treated differently and I want to promote "One Team, One Fight." Then the "Noner" word came out..LMAO. I countered with every airman is important to execution of the mission even if they don't deal directly with aircraft. In hostile environments, we ALL work together to defend the base no matter the uniform we wear. We sleep in the same accommodations, eat the same food, and return dirty to our dirty b-huts and CHUs. I honestly felt as though he was slightly intimidated by me. I left it at that and told him I would be a good follower, no doubt. I'm sorry BODN, but I had to say something right before my PRF is due.Out of curiosity, what’s his background?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
November 16, 20187 yr 53 minutes ago, herkbum said: Out of curiosity, what’s his background? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Comptroller Edited November 17, 20187 yr by HarleyQuinn
November 17, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, HarleyQuinn said: Comptroller It's called the Air Force, not the Finance Force. If your Gp/CC wanted that, he should've retired and got his worthless GS job at DFAS.
November 17, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: I had my sit down with the GP/CC. Oh my f.... goodness. He just hates pilots and flight suits. "Flyers are treated differently and I want to promote "One Team, One Fight." Then the "Noner" word came out..LMAO. I countered with every airman is important to execution of the mission even if they don't deal directly with aircraft. In hostile environments, we ALL work together to defend the base no matter the uniform we wear. We sleep in the same accommodations, eat the same food, and return dirty to our dirty b-huts and CHUs. I honestly felt as though he was slightly intimidated by me. I left it at that and told him I would be a good follower, no doubt. I'm sorry BODN, but I had to say something right before my PRF is due. In response to your commander, I would have emphasized that pilots are a part of that one team, and that support agencies also need occasional reminder they’re part of a greater mission. Sometimes that reminder is in the form of visual presence of an aviator. There’s a reason we consciously decide to put aviators in some support positions: the organizations have typically lost the bubble on what they’re actually there for. I’ve seen a few anecdotes where some agencies thought aircraft existed on the installation to support them, not the other way around.
November 17, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said: No sir, he oversees a Training Group on the non flying side of the house in a MAJCOM. 2 AF? God help you!
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