amcflyboy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Either that, or just join the ANG/AFRES. You have to be a complete retard to NOT get promoted to Captain, and that's a bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitts2112 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Either that, or just join the ANG/AFRES. You have to be a complete retard to NOT get promoted to Captain, and that's a bit of a stretch. Pretty much the same on active duty, I'd have thought. Only the simplest of tools can't make a 95th percentile. Edited February 26, 2012 by pitts2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornholio5 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 In about three years, it will become a requirement to have masters and SOS done by the time you are a 1Lt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Can't find the numbers from last year, but there were a few folks promoted above the zone. This year, there will be substantially more APZ promotions, IMHO. Many wings (including mine) didn't take the board as seriously as they should have, and had a pretty substantial number of non-selects (8 not selected from 45 OG Lts). Almost all of those had some sort of negative mark in their records. Much of it came down to them having an ASBC TR, IQT TR, and one OPR. Many commanders have taken a "special interest" in some of their Lts that they feel should have been promoted. For those Lts that meet the board with a DP, the PRF is blank. One way to ensure an APZ gets promoted is for them to get a DP. I have a feeling these blank PRFs with DPs will be used for a number of passed over Lts. I have heard of other wings giving their DPs to the folks with only one OPR or with weak OPRs and letting their strong folks with strats compete with P's. That's bullshit if you ask me, but it looks good for the Wg/CC if all of their Lts get promoted. Our Wg/CC last year gave out about 6 DNPs...he felt like promotion decisions should be made by the Wing Commander and not by a central selection board. Bottom line, your friend has a chance, but only if someone is looking out for them. If he meets the board APZ with a P, he will not be promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Many wings (including mine) didn't take the board as seriously as they should have, and had a pretty substantial number of non-selects (8 not selected from 45 OG Lts). Holy shit! Almost all of those had some sort of negative mark in their records. Much of it came down to them having an ASBC TR, IQT TR, and one OPR. How is that their fault? Many commanders have taken a "special interest" in some of their Lts that they feel should have been promoted. For those Lts that meet the board with a DP, the PRF is blank. One way to ensure an APZ gets promoted is for them to get a DP. I have a feeling these blank PRFs with DPs will be used for a number of passed over Lts. That's bullshit if you ask me, but it looks good for the Wg/CC if all of their Lts get promoted. You really think it is bullshit if the Wg/CC figures out a way to get everyone promoted to O-3? I would say he deserves a beer on the LPA tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 How is that their fault? My post was unclear. The Lts that had derogatory information (failed training, DUI, LOR) only had two TRs and one bland OPR on top, so they could not possibly cover-up or recover from their derogatory info. Out of the 8 Lts that didnt get promoted from my group, 3 failed UPT, 1 DUI, 3 with LORs, 1 failed ASBC. We have about 7 other Lts that failed or quit UPT that did get promoted, so it was all based on how people did after being re-classed, as it should be. You really think it is bullshit if the Wg/CC figures out a way to get everyone promoted to O-3? I would say he deserves a beer on the LPA tab. Yes, I really do. It's nice for the Lts at that wing. It sucks for the Lts at another wing that might be passed over because they are their wing's bottom 20% competing against top third Lts from the other wing. The promotion system blows as it is, it can only be made slightly better if everyone plays by the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 1 failed ASBC. For real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yes, I really do. It's nice for the Lts at that wing. It sucks for the Lts at another wing that might be passed over because they are their wing's bottom 20% competing against top third Lts from the other wing. The promotion system blows as it is, it can only be made slightly better if everyone plays by the same rules. You're damn right it is nice for the Lts in that wing. You don't know if all those LTs were full up or not. If they were, they should be promoted. If that means the Wg/CC needs to do whatever is required so they get promoted, fine. WWROD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backseatdriver Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Many wings (including mine) didn't take the board as seriously as they should have, and had a pretty substantial number of non-selects (8 not selected from 45 OG Lts) Out of the 8 Lts that didnt get promoted from my group, 3 failed UPT, 1 DUI, 3 with LORs, 1 failed ASBC. And you think these guys didn't get promoted because your wing didn't take the board seriously? They spent their first couple years fucking up - there were 1000 other dudes who didn't spend their first couple of years failing training, PME, and getting DUIs. Here's an idea - if you don't want to end up in the bottom 5% of your year group, don't get a DUI, LOR or fail PME (ASBC?! YGBFSM!!). Technique only. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 If you fail ASBC you aren't fit to lead a wino into a liquor store. Honestly, of those 8 passed over, 5 are clean kills. The 3 washouts depend on the circumstances I guess. It sucks if they are all dudes who just couldn't get past the airsickness, but if they are those clowns who show up knowing they are going to SIE after their dollar ride then they deserve what they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) And you think these guys didn't get promoted because your wing didn't take the board seriously? They spent their first couple years fucking up - there were 1000 other dudes who didn't spend their first couple of years failing training, PME, and getting DUIs. Here's an idea - if you don't want to end up in the bottom 5% of your year group, don't get a DUI, LOR or fail PME (ASBC?! YGBFSM!!). Technique only. For the DUI/LORs, I totally agree. One of the UPT washouts was for motion sickness, he then had a delay starting training and had one OPR when he met the board, and his OPR was for training. Nobody at my base really put a lot of thought into PRFs last year, and I think this particular Lt got passed over because of it. Had his squadron taken care of him and given him at least another draft OPR to use with some actual mission bullets, he probably would have made it. He's not a stellar Lt, but he isn't bottom 5% either. That's just the way things go in the Air Force now. You really can't afford not to complete initial skills training any more, for any reason. A few years ago, washing from UPT wasn't a huge blemish on your career. I personally have no stake in this matter, other than I am the OG exec now and have 71 PRFs waiting for me this week.... Edited February 26, 2012 by Gravedigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 That's just the way things go in the Air Force now. You really can't afford not to complete initial skills training any more, for any reason. A few years ago, washing from UPT wasn't a huge blemish on your career. And if you step into the way back machine you were given a "have a nice life" speech and an honorable discharge when you washed out of UPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Sorry, I need more details. How is it even remotely possible to not pass ASBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B*D*A Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Sorry, I need more details. How is it even remotely possible to not pass ASBC? You can still "graduate" the course having failed one or more of the tests. That's what the black mark is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzdude Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I think all that happens is you get one line on your TR that says you didn't meet academic standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Here's an idea - if you don't want to end up in the bottom 5% of your year group, don't get a DUI, LOR or fail PME (ASBC?! YGBFSM!!). Technique only. Hell...You can end up there even if you don't do any of the above and have a squeaky clean record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I know someone from my ROTC Det. who "failed" ASBC...still on active duty as far as I know after some light facebook stalking. Not sure how that's even possible based on what I heard about how difficult the training there was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some of us who were told we would go to ASBC after UPT (which obviously didn't happen since the program is no-more) are being told that it looks bad on us since a lot of our peers have the ASBC box checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some of us who were told we would go to ASBC after UPT (which obviously didn't happen since the program is no-more) are being told that it looks bad on us since a lot of our peers have the ASBC box checked Hahahahahaha! YGBFSM. I had a chick in my ASBC flight fail every test we had because she said she had "test anxiety". I told her I was anxious about vomiting on my desk during that test after a case race in the dorms the night before. She then arranged for me to get talked to by my Flt/CC about sensitivity toward "fellow wingmen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSituation Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some of us who were told we would go to ASBC after UPT (which obviously didn't happen since the program is no-more) are being told that it looks bad on us since a lot of our peers have the ASBC box checked Seriously, the only thing you missed out on was the tdy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrodgsxr Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some of us who were told we would go to ASBC after UPT (which obviously didn't happen since the program is no-more) are being told that it looks bad on us since a lot of our peers have the ASBC box checked Somehow I got promoted without attending ASBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Some of us who were told we would go to ASBC after UPT (which obviously didn't happen since the program is no-more) are being told that it looks bad on us since a lot of our peers have the ASBC box checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 haha nice! Just passing along what I heard...I'm not all that worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I had a chick in my ASBC flight fail every test we had because she said she had "test anxiety". I told her I was anxious about vomiting on my desk during that test after a case race in the dorms the night before. She then arranged for me to get talked to by my Flt/CC about sensitivity toward "fellow wingmen". Please tell me you called her a ###### & told her to STFU... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 How is it even remotely possible to not pass ASBC? You're a completely retarded chick who failed EVERY measured event, but on her way to a silo, so I guess no one gave a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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