HeloDude

Israel can (and should) do whatever Israel believes they need to do. Now as to the question of US direct involvement…I think that would be a mistake. Which is why I think Biden is bluffing as I don’t see him authorizing an attack to support Israel. So just like Obama’s “red line”…it’s stupid to say this if you’re not going to do anything when it’s crossed. Side note—where are our resident leftists on this forum? Aren’t they all about democracies being able to defend themselves when attacked? Or does this just apply to when Russia is the aggressor?

While I’m understanding of your emotions, somehow I don’t think that would really make things better. I don’t know what the overall best solution is, but it’s definitely not this. Those that would stay behind would not necessarily remain there because they want to. Go after the terrorists, attempt to kill each and every last one…do your best to limit innocent casualties. And that’s even much easier said than done. I’m really curious to see how this all ends…but it’s definitely not going to be pretty.

Then you didn’t read very well…I said I don’t support him or what he did and I find it immoral. But I find a lot of things immoral that are not illegal. And if animals can be killed for our enjoyment and pleasure, why are some protected and not others? If I find abortion immoral should every woman who has an abortion be put in jail?

Well, this what one her friends said regarding 9-11…no one should be surprised. https://www.foxnews.com/us/9-11-anniversary-mourner-who-lost-mother-in-attacks-criticizes-ilhan-omars-some-people-did-something-comment

If the House GOP is smart (usually they’re not) they’ll pass a bill (once they have a Speaker lol) that gives Ukraine some more funding, along with a lot of Israel funding to go directly towards wiping out Hamas, etc…oh and way more funding for our own border protection. I’m not saying all the Dems will vote against it, but it definitely won’t be anything close to unanimous. They should call it the “in defense of democracy bill” or something cheesy like that lol.

Whoa—you wrote a lot man, which I appreciate, but I don’t have the time to go over each detail. Big picture: If it’s something you could do on your own, by yourself on an island, it’s a right. Now if we’re waking about what is a “government protected right” that’s a totally different animal (very little pun intended). If the government can suspend the “right” then you never has it in the first place or you never needed the government to physically allow you to do it anyway. Have you seen how Adams in NYC wants to suspend the “right to shelter”…yeah, that’s because it was never a right to begin with. The truck piece—if you’re saying if the difference between you and your family staying alive or dying came down to killing someone for a truck and you wouldn’t do it then I don’t believe you…and also look what our government leaders do…they have us kill propel all day long to (theoretically) make our lives better, safer, etc. Keep in mind that society might want to hold you responsible for taking another person’s life (because…wait for it…humans have rights). But if you can defeat those who want to take you in then it’s irrelevant. It’s kind of like of like during WW2…if by some weird chance Japan would have defeated the US with an unconditional surrender after we had already dropped an atomic bomb, do you not think their leaders would have tried and/or executed some of our leaders? But the winners call the shots. Hence why very few people were ever held accountable for atrocities committed against the Native Americans. Trust me, it’s not because the Native Americans didn’t want to. Prostitution and drug use should totally be legal even though I’m morally against both. If you disagree, then when are we going to ban alcohol for the same reasons? So going back to the animals piece—it has been shown that we can survive without eating animals, so we do we need to do it if it harms the animal? Side discussion…kind of messed up how I can donate a kidney for free but if I’m not allowed to sell mine if I agree to the terms. With both examples, I’m out one kidney, but with one, I’m at least getting something else out of it.

Careful…some will call you a murderer. Oh and it’s a good thing to actually think outside societal of current cultural norms. If we didn’t, gay marriage would still be illegal. Just one example of many. https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/new-peta-billboards-proclaim-meat-is-murder/

Nah…you just can’t have a conversation outside of your own emotions. I used to be that way a long time ago. How was that steak dinner or chicken sandwich the other day? .

Depends on how bad you need that car I suppose. A lot of people get killed in war that I’m sure didn’t necessarily need to die for objectives to be achieved. And though I’m morally against bringing drawn out suffering to an animal, for some people it’s what they want to do. Like I said a while back, I don’t support what this DoD guy did…but it does beg the question of why things are legal and why things aren’t. As for this being a philosophical discussion, I thought that was obvious but I guess it wasn’t…next time I’ll say so.

If animals don’t have a right to not be killed by humans for our pleasure, then no, they don’t have rights. And this isn’t a hill…it’s a fact. Unless you’re one of those who thinks people who eat animals should go to jail? Some of you don’t seem capable of having an actual philosophical discussion outside of what is legal vs illegal. Or “well this is how our laws are so they must be right”…I guess all of our laws have always been perfect. Again, killing a 7 month unborn baby is ok in many states…but getting two chickens to fight is not ok. But breeding horses to aggressively race for our viewing pleasure…and if they get hurt because of it and need to be killed, well that’s ok, but eating a cat is not ok. But eating a pig is ok. I want to live in a world where you can have your morals and I can have mine…but that we don’t cater to certain people and not others when they’re literally the same thing. And yes, if you hunt coyote on BLM land then you leave them to rot…they go back to nature. Or should the coyotes be protected? If not, maybe a proper burial required after you shoot them for fun?…we could regulate how deep the hole needs to be, a required head stone, whatever makes people feel better. Maybe if we hit a raccoon on the road we should have to stop and bury it…maybe report it since that might be a crime because the animal had a “right” to not be hit by a car? If you truly believe in individual liberty then you have to ask yourself uncomfortable questions at times. Oh and enjoy that steak dinner or chicken sandwich next time!…you heartless person you lol.

I’ve noticed that many on the left no longer believe “democracies need to be able to defend themselves from those who that attack their sovereignty” as of a few days ago. Whoever actually thought that the left actually supported Ukraine because of “democracy” were easily duped…fortunately I’ve learned over the years that the leftists support leftist ideology, and everything else they say/do is a distraction.

Well, you wouldn’t want their citizens to own ARs, Tavor’s, etc…according to the left in the US, those are weapons of war that ordinary citizens shouldn’t be able to own.

Children are people, and people have rights. Animals do not. And if I can eat something because I want to eat it just because I think it’s delicious, that’s pretty darn close to absolute control lol.

Ever go hunt coyotes? They’re not “protected” and I know people who shoot them for the fun of it. Sure one can argue that they’re destructive, but I can make that same argument for a lot of wild animals that are “protected”. I love pets…I just don’t love hypocrisy when it comes to the law.

It’s pretty easy—there’s no such thing as “animal rights”, so if you can kill an animal for fun, then why should it be illegal to allow them to fight each other if they’re your animals? I’m not discussing morals whatsoever…if that were the case, whose morals, and what is ok morally and no ok? I think it’s much worse to abort an unborn child 2 months before birth than to take two dogs you own and have them fight (even though I think that’s also immoral and sick). It’s called hypocrisy if you support the ability to do one and not the other.

You had some decent counter arguments until the last one…my children are most definitely not my personal property. However my animals are.

Welcome to the left’s version of “saving democracy”. This why democracy is horrible…it’s literally the equivalent of two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

I’ll try and help you out… Either we own animals and can do what we want with them, or we can’t. If you eat meat then an “animals rights” person would tell you that you’re immoral. So the line has artificially been drawn to satisfy X but not Y…just don’t pretend that animals have any rights. And as I previously said, I don’t support what this DoD official did, but yet I have friends who hunt purely for sport…are they also immoral? Why is one legal and not the other?

Words matter though. And there are millions of people in this country that do make that argument…PETA members for example. There are even those that are telling us that the Kentucky Derby is cruel to animals. I don’t support what this guy did whatsoever, but if you can kill animals for sport alone, it only goes to show that there is no such thing as “animal rights”.

Ummm, I’m all about hunting animals and then eating them. And I don’t know how many people who like to hunt are trying to kill people and eat them. A little devils advocate here, but I think you need a better argument.

This is a commander type problem to solve…unfortunately the member receives the consequences of it not being worked out. Any commander worth their salt would make this a priority as it involves pay.

I have a good friend, retired AF pilot, who does this on the side for a reasonable fee. She can do it all remotely as well. Send me a pm if you want the info.

Discussion on The Pilot Network on FB about AAMS going away very soon. Says that when it goes away, the only way you can get your line by line sortie info is through the 1Cs…but their system only goes back 18 months.

Are they as great as our professional finance folks or comm types?

Truly amazing how this doesn’t anger the vast majority of Americans… https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2023/09/16/watch-youre-free-to-go-border-patrol-releases-hundreds-of-illegal-aliens-into-san-diego/