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Except maybe watching grown men point with their elbows and introduce themselves using only a contrived nickname.

FIFY

Young ones...its wrong and stupid and a kneejerk reaction. It'll never be the same. But then again that's the opinion of a guy who used to attend strippers/lingerie WED night (Dancing Bears) at the Nellis Club. My father-in-law was a F-4 (Nam era) and F-15 Sq/CC, he has original Dick Jonas (Dos Gringos' Godfather http://www.fighterpi...-jonas-fu-hero/) recordings on reel to reel tape which we will listen to over Christmas and raise a glass. Do your best but realize this "culture" change probably won't reverse. Keep doing what you do to support those young men on the ground....that is the only important thing!

We had the airport manager from a podunk airport about 10 miles NW of MXF call the SOF desk one afternoon raising hell because "[we] just flew right over his airport less than 300 feet". Quick thinking Captain who answered the phone..."Really, when?...Less than five minutes ago?....Good." Airport Mgr:..."what do you mean, 'Good'?" Capt: "Well sir, we don't have a single airplane in the air right now." Airport Mgr: "Well who was it then?" Capt: "I have no idea." click

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As an idiot, I find that offensive. I will take a screenshot of this and hold onto it for 10 more years in case I get passed over for Lt Col and then non-continued. Then you will hear from my lawyer.

I am not normally a praying man, but I am going to say a rosary for Jared Foley tonight. I am hoping some of you can shed a light on what was "wrong" with this situation, and why there is a court martial taking place. Jared, If you are reading this, stay strong brother. You have a man who was completely apathetic about religion on his knees tonight in prayer. If he is not, please pass this along to him and his family.

In all fairness, they came back with this reply when someone pointed it out: I kind of see the point. If the pinups have been part of military heritage since WWII, why are we suddenly stripping out the remnants of that heritage now? Why is Maxim's girl of the month more offensive than the Memphis Belle or the Strawberry Bitch? I think the point here is that the USAF has created a giant, knee-jerk reaction to a series of events that created bad publicity for senior leadership. As I've said before, they can't do something useful, so instead they're doing something visible.

Marty, something must have gone wrong with the time space continuum! We’re in an alternate 2012; one where the Shoe’s are all powerful and controlling. Where one butt hurt individual is powerful and rules with an extremely stupid perspective. No, we have to go back to 1947 and repair the damage!

I actually know a lot. But I guess you are saying giving some the right to get a job without being forced to pay union dues strlrips everyone of their collective bargains rights. You are malking my point.

Herk navs still have them. Sometimes if I'm bored, I'll tell him to compute our mach no. I'm just preparing for the day when a controller forgets what plane we are in and asks for my mach no. so that I can reply ".48".

The butter face ruined it for me.

Nope, I didn't, once I saw the pics all reading ceased.

What's getting raped is what little left of our heritage we've still got... Eventually this is all that will be left...

It's more efficient to spread chemtrails with a 3-ship.

If you haven't realized already, I am that fucking awesome! Cheers! M2

Fixed...thanks M2! That's the last time I drunkenly start clicking things to see what they do! BTW, I was looking at the members list...how the hell did you get 2,147,483,647 likes?

Canadia has an air force? If they do, why?

A sober, homoerotic snowball fight turned wrestling match? Glad I went to a state school.

While I'm not "sure about that", unfortunately I've had a lot more personal experience with ADCs than that. While their experience and abilities run the gamut, they are not as experienced as the actual SJAs (theoretically, at least -- I'm sure there are outliers in both parts of the job). Think about it -- most ADCs are Captains and SJAs are Majs, Lt Cols, and up. Again, the real issue with ADCs is that they are public defenders who are many times dealing with a good number of cases simultaneously and can't dedicate all of their efforts to your case. But, the constant is that neither of them (ADCs or SJAs) can hold a match to a good civilian attorney who was formerly an SJA. Regarding Bud Day, the only experience I've had was as a recorder at an FEB for an IFF washout. His style was very aggressive and he did, indeed, completely tear apart the case and get his client reinstated in the IFF program. His understanding of how the AF training system worked -- especially with regard to how the course training standards for grading worked and his knowledge that IPs can sometimes write comments about graded maneuvers that do not directly support what the CTS says for a particular grade -- was key to his courtroom victory when I observed him. It was quite impressive. His overall style was very aggressive. That being said, my understanding from speaking to other attorneys who have worked with him (or even against him) is that his style is becoming decreasingly effective in the current AF climate. Reportedly, his opening statement usually revolved around him tossing his Medal of Honor coin on the ground in front of the board or jury, and saying "there are two sides to every coin....." It was apparently heavily reliant on the respect value he personally had as a MoH recipient rather than a cunning strategy as an attorney (combined, of course, with a very type-A aggressive style overall). Based on a good number of people I've seen in the AF these days who would potentially be board or jury members, not only would many not have any idea who Bud Day was or what he'd done, but many would also not be impressed even by those things he's done. In other words, that respect value is decreasing, EVEN amongst flight-suit wearers (such as might populate an FEB). A non-tactical background pilot I flew with last summer went on a tirade about what a rogue Joe Jackson was for landing his C-123 at a closed airstrip against orders and that he should never have been awarded a MoH for such a blatant violation of flight discipline...so you never know what some folks might find of value.

Separating in Lieu of Court Martial is not considered a felony conviction, but it is basically the same discharge rate considering it is a dismissal. If Jared wants to call me, I'll be up for a few more hours. I am OCONUS tomorrow and cannot be reached after that. He needs to hire a civilian lawyer. His ADC, no matter how good she is, cannot give him a fair shake against the government. Tell him to PM me, and I'll give him my phone number to tell him why.

Well I would say their problem has nothing to do with being a SNAP, instead they are an annoying pain in the ass. Maybe I just don't have the exposure to the types you're referring to, or maybe getting shot at and having near death experiences together tends to mellow both of our outlooks. In the end a bro is bro, whether he drinks or not has no bearing.