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Guys, guys, guys! This is not how online discourse between flyers is supposed to work! Not one of you used the term “libtard” or referenced the “orange man.” I think we should all take few minutes to peruse Airline Pilot Central (pick a thread, any thread), then come back here and discuss this topic like mature adults with internet anonymity.

Can you please elaborate once again? I know you “told the story on this site.” It seems Fingers is well respected across the Enterprise but it’s obvious you have some insider information. Honestly curious to hear the other side.

What we’ve seen here is peer-review in public instead of in private where scientists usually hack out these things. Usually scientists can hammer away at methods and weaknesses of studies, data, and conclusions in private and then what emerges more closely resembles a scientific consensus. This pandemic did not have the luxury of time and private peer review for better or worse. It’s perfectly normal that experts disagree, sometimes vehemently. We just don’t usually see behind the curtain as regular Joes. Congress will need to form a commission on COVID-19 just as they did with 9/11. And I expect that in a couple years we’ll perhaps manage to create some solutions.

Good post. And I respect to you too. Especially because you defend your ideas and engage in the frustratingly messy act of attempting to convince others. Precisely why I’m frustrated at “experts” who had no time to explain the science behind unprecedented lockdowns, we just have to do it now!! But we have data indicating otherwise, so it’s reasonable to ask the people who insisted we obey without debate to explain how they were so dramatically wrong. Turns out being knowledgeable about infectious diseases doesn’t mean you know shit about public policy or predicting the future (FLEA said it more eloquently). Additionally, I welcome debate about my line of work. Tactical debate on execution isn’t germane, just as no one is seriously debating exactly how doctors treat patients. But overall strategic debate about the wars, our goals, etc.? I welcome a national debate, and the various “expert” generals who have lost for 20 years definitely could use the second guessing. Good analogy!

Watching the video of people yelling at a fellow shopper reminded me of this https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/games-primates-play/201203/what-monkeys-can-teach-us-about-human-behavior-facts-fiction

FOIA requests work well for the old stuff. I got my uncle's F-4 Vietnam shoot-down report that way several years back. Had all the family stories (more than one F-4 pilot in our family at the time), but it was interesting to see the actual report. On a semi-related note, got the flag and an empty glass out for some family remembrance on this Memorial Day

Thread successfully derailed fellas. Maybe we can move this mask discussion to another thread? FedEx is draining the pool of successfully hired interviewees. Although exact future timing is unknown, it appears the original pool of roughly 200 will be empty by EOY. FedEx was hiring a little over 400/yr prior to stopping in Nov 2019. New interview timing is currently unknown. My educated guess is sometime in the fall. Also unknown is the approx number a year target for the company post COVID surge. Best of luck to all out there in this newest version of the job hunt.

No, actually, it isn't supposed to be part of the Executive Branch's powers....it is Congress relinquishing powers it is supposed to have. "Rule making" is supposed to be performed by the "Legislative Branch"....hence, y'know, the name.

I'll agree its not the experts fault. I think where the animosity comes from is how expertise translates to policy. If you are a governor and you are overseeing a crisis like this, obviously you are going to fill your staff with doctors to advise you. The problem is, doctors, by their nature, want to save lives. Their value on life and life saving medicine supersedes any other requirement for society because that is their job and their hippocratic oath. And we should be glad they are like that. Its what keeps them 16 hours in an emergency room exhausting every possible solution and experimental treatment necessary to save some lives. But it doesn't translate to policy well. So if you let your doctors run away with the decision making of course they are going to say "we must completely lock down everyone and barricade their homes to save every last single life possible and no-one must die!" Then you have to top that off with the public's demand for information. I think people with a minimal verse in science know these models are hard to read and are not designed to do what we are using them for. But when the governor gets on TV people don't like to hear "i think" and "it seems like". They want to hear "yeah, we are definitely going to be open again in 3 weeks, that will be the peak."

Obeying the TSA is a federal law. Not sure I understand your point. I’m saying emergency decrees that we must follow the latest utterance of supposed scientific experts is degrading legitimacy of our entire system and not the legal way to govern. Perhaps I’m conflating this discussion of airline policy with the overall mandatory mask debate nationwide, and taking you out of context. I do agree businesses have rights to refuse service and set the terms of service. Which is why forcing those Christian bakeries to make gay wedding cakes was an injustice.

If you want to compel behavior in a free society, either convince me or pass a law (which my representatives can debate) and force me. Rule by fiat neither convinces nor allows debate. I understand you agree with mask theory, but what happens when this same method of governance enables outcomes you disagree with? To avoid chaos, see sentence #1.

You gonna show us on the doll where he touched you/tell the tale once he departs the fix?...

Me and my friends up here are just ignoring the bitch and enjoying our lives.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html Pretty good article about fear and groupthink during this.

Texas, Florida and a few other states are a few weeks into “opening things up” and so far so good. The sky isn’t falling and the death rate has peaked. Far stretch from the doom and gloom we heard about from certain people. If someone has a problem with it then they are welcome to stay at home. Michigan on the other hand? The ‘queen’ there is asking for a rebellion.

Haha. I’ve already told the story, half of it anyways, somewhere on this site. Bottom line he doesn’t care about anyone other than himself and only when it helps him look good does he care about others. If it’s people he perceives don’t matter even if they are doing a large share of the work while other groups are getting ahead for not reason, then it doesn’t matter to him. We are all volunteers so that gives him the right to say pound sand for 5 years. He’s trash. Not worth of what the Air Force should be. I’d by far and large rather have that one AMC dude from a few years back. Schwartz. Don’t think that I’m advocating for that or that I liked him. Just that he is better than fingers. Schwartz isn’t a leader and has no spine. But at least he owned it. I can live with that. That’s integrity. Fingers has none. Wonder how he got his callsign.

Wow. You were a total d!ck to that kid, and the whole world knows about it. Maybe the kid needed that, I don't know. Either way, good on ya for getting thru that unscathed. For grins, what did the boss say to you when he pulled you into his office?