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Gotcha. I don't think so. It was not relatively complicated to get an old 1911 to go off if you hit it right. That's not to say that it was something likely to happen, since most people aren't throwing their guns onto the ground barrel first, but then again this p320 issue is also quite exceptionally rare considering how many of them are in circulation. But you are absolutely correct, until we actually know what's going on with the p320, this is all speculation and educated guesses. What were they saying? I'm very fond of their weapons, but I don't actually know anything about the company itself. Anecdotally I've talked to people who have had problems with their gun and Sig seemed willing to have it shipped to them for repair or modification by their gunsmiths. Same I'm really glad this hasn't been documented for the P365, because it's a fantastic carry weapon.

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Agreed. I also would like to see some sort of AI detection of dick bag drivers. Speeding cameras should only apply to crazy speeding. Going the speed limit is for suckers. Also, those limits are set knowing people will speed by 10mph.

No. I'll just say we got in a semantic argument past one another. I'll try to be clear: It appears that the P320's problems are bad enough that it is less safe than what was used in WW2. Let alone the M9. It remains to be seen what the actual problems are, all anyone really has at this point is educated guesses.

AF mandated inspections for all m18s was released. Essentially removing the FCU and inspecting for burrs and issues with the sear.

I never knew that background story, wild!

Was talking about this last night in a group that included some extremely qualified dudes - I was surprised to find out they actually hate the entire company and aren’t surprised this is happening. Says something when guys at that level don’t have anything positive to say. I don’t own Sigs, but I certainly didn’t have that perspective on the company. Ouch.

True, I mention as it they seemed to be there for specific training, drones, and how to use asymmetric capabilities / tactics to fight conventional forces. Bodes ill for stability in certain areas poorly / loosely governed methinks.

Not really novel. 7th SFG trained a bunch of future Zetas years ago. Gangs have long used the US military as training ground. They even have an acronym: Military-trained gang members (MTGMs).

My local range just banned them for the foreseeable future. It's owned by a bunch of ex-military; they're all pretty chill dudes so I don't think they made the decision off the cuff (though I'm sure the liability issue was at the forefront). Didn't matter to me since I don't own any Sigs.

I guess I mostly agree. I really wish they would bring red light cameras back. Maybe one of the best pieces of public safety on the roads, but of course governments wanted to do it cheap, so instead of buying the technology or even leasing it, they get it for "free" by giving the operator of the technology a cut of the tickets, thus creating a negative incentive, and inevitably resulting in the yellow light duration being lowered. Which is absolute bullshit. I forget where it was but when the local legislative body increased the yellow light times back to where they were, it was immediately no longer economically feasible for the company, and away went the cameras. Install the cameras, increase the duration of the yellow light by one second, and give be ruthless in enforcement. The cost is made up by fewer accidents. Get a bonus feature where DHS gets brought into the loop for traffic violations and you'd see Texas jump from the worst to the best state to drive in overnight 🤣😂

Textron / Leonardo ready to get the USN a new trainer now https://theaviationist.com/2025/07/28/textron-unveils-beechcraft-t-346n/ I wonder if they could offer the same partnership for the AF for the M-345… https://aircraft.leonardo.com/en/products/m-345 Making this jet the standard intermediate trainer, companion training aircraft and an aggressor/support aircraft.

So this is good news… https://www.twz.com/news-features/cartel-members-fought-in-ukraine-to-learn-fpv-drone-skills-report

Technically no firearm is inherently safe, it's simply that some are "safer" than others based on their design, safety features and how they are handled. The most critical safety factor is the person handling the weapon. The Four Rules of Gun Safety dramatically reduce the risk but don't completely mitigate it. The circumstances of this uncommanded discharge in the CCIR were different from what is being shared in the press. It may be the initial reporting was wrong, or other factors are in play. It's posted on the BaseOps SIPRNET page (just search for 'BaseOps' on Intellipedia to find it). Details are CUI so do NOT post them here! Whether the P320/M17/M18 is faulty or not has yet to be determined, but at this point anyone who owns one should treat it exceptionally carefully until such time as the investigation is completed. Hopefully no more injuries or deaths will occur before that happens!

ADMIN NOTE: All posts concerning the SIG P320/M17/M18 have been moved to the Gun Talk thread as there was already an ongoing discussion there.

Osan unaccompanied is now 2 years, accompanied is 3.

If you’re an Army aviator on first assignment to 2nd CAB, you will be immediately offered to extend and progress right away, or self identify as a one year guy, in which case they do the minimum possible to move you along. The Army has asked for years to make this happen and spent piles of cash to build up post to facilitate making it a command sponsored assignment. The fact it’s happening is a shock to nobody that remembers briefings from 15 years ago about where Korea was headed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Sorry, that’s 7-10 Rods/second Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

No need to say anymore - root cause of 99% of our problems identified.

You lost me, what's that in freedom units?

First it didn't matter because the discharge was into the ground, now you need a source? Google it, bud. From Wyatt Earp and the "Cowboy Load" in revolvers to the very reason the series 80 was designed in the first place. Or are the titanium firing pins just for looks? Or the S&W Victory navy fatality that resulted in a safer design being procured. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Gun safety engineering hasn't improved? The 1911 community is always so defensive. Imagine arguing that a ’67 Mustang was just as safe to drive as a 2025 model, and asking the other guy to prove it. The 1911 was a huge leap forward... a century ago. Now it's just a neat gun with lots of nostalgia that almost no professionals in the world use (real shooting jobs, not competition shooting). I like mine. But I like my revolver too. Both are outdated relics. The P320 is safe enough that it takes *a lot* of active testing to get it to discharge. But that's not safe enough for what we expect from firearms today. Agreed. But you would have much less difficulty making our elders' guns discharge if you wanted to.

As we further democratize participation in the lower tier of airspace (which is growing exponentially in users thanks to sUAS) we’re gonna have to accept that basing air traffic control off methods developed in the 60s are no longer optimal. I say that kind of stuff out loud in a room full of dinosaurs to blank stares because in their minds voice comms are perfect and nobody has ever had to miss/wait on critical information passed via a single comm exchange while things are moving at a minimum 35-50 meters/second. Dynamic airspace management, digital predictive modeling, and visualization changes are the only way we really move this forward. Anything else is a bandaid at this point. There are company’s out there that have already demonstrated the capability to be expanded, but it’s stuck in program management hell of convincing some GS civilian who hasn’t been in air traffic control for over 15 years that technology (like radar did before) will change the way we safely manage airspace, only if we invest in it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk