Mass ANG Rear Seat Ground Ejection

[Mole]

Just saw a video on Facebook, Mass ANG F-15D had a backseater depart the jet on the ground via the ACES II.  Heard it was a incentive or FAM flight. Not 100% sure on details. 

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4192170774392209/?app=fbl

Edited 20 hours ago by Mole
Added link

[M2]

Rumor is it was a PAO...

[herkbier]

If PAO, they’ll probably use a picture of a MiG-29 when they report the story.

[ClearedHot]

Video without having to go to Facebook.

Looks like the canopy landed on the back of the jet...still sitting there as he taxied back to parking.

Rear seat still smoking...I guess he/she got the full ride!

[M2]

2 hours ago, M2 said:

Rumor is it was a PAO...

Now I'm hearing it was a recruiter...

[RegularJoe]

Does he get a watch and scarf?

[uhhello]

I helped strap in many a incentive rider in the D model and was very surprised at the little amount of seat briefing that was given by the various pilots.  I got a ride a few years in and dude just said hey you're a crew chief, you know the drill 🙂

[Biff_T]

What was I not supposed to pull again?  

[Mole]

32 minutes ago, uhhello said:

I helped strap in many a incentive rider in the D model and was very surprised at the little amount of seat briefing that was given by the various pilots.  I got a ride a few years in and dude just said hey you're a crew chief, you know the drill 🙂

They usually receive Cockpit Fam and Emergency Egress training utilizing a cockpit trainer prior to flying. 

[ClearedHot]

In UPT I recall a story told by the IPs about a female cadet who getting an incentive ride in the T-37.  As they got back to parking the IP said "Ok, let get out" - the cadet gave it the old - HANDGRIPS RAISED TRIGGERS SQUEEZED.  Supposedly she survived because she landed on the elevator and it broke her fall with a partial chute.

[Pooter]

I know incentive riders can do wacky things and I have no idea what happened in this case... but you're fucking up if you don't put the fear of god in them regarding the ejection handles and the seat in general. I don't care how much egress training they got, every incentive rider I ever flew with got another cockpit fam brief from me and I personally helped them strap in.

[Boomer6]

Egress training is required and so is a pilot brief prior to step. This is a prime example why the seat sequencer is set the way that it is for fam flyers.

Hopefully she didn't hurt anything more than her pride...

Edited 12 hours ago by Boomer6

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, Mole said:

They usually receive Cockpit Fam and Emergency Egress training utilizing a cockpit trainer prior to flying. 

Usually.  I've personally seen folks TDY show up to ops, get a flightsuit and equipment fitting then step to the aircraft.  This was many moons ago also.  In my personal experience, I didn't receive any training.  Not saying it happens for every flight, just that it happens.  

[brabus]

Never in 19 years have I seen a fam/incentive/PA rider not get full seat/equip training/briefing. I’m sure this person got the full training/brief, they just fucked up.

[Hacker]

11 hours ago, RegularJoe said:

Does he get a watch and scarf?

(the watch is for a Martin Baker ejection)

[Hacker]

9 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Egress training is required and so is a pilot brief prior to step. This is a prime example why the seat sequencer is set the way that it is for fam flyers.

Hopefully she didn't hurt anything more than her pride...

In the F-15E, the ejection sequencing valve wasn't put into AFT INITIATE until the before takeoff checklist anyway.

[TreeA10]

Write ups:

"Rear ejection seat - Ops check good"

"Canopy scratched and will not close properly."

[Boomer6]

46 minutes ago, Hacker said:

In the F-15E, the ejection sequencing valve wasn't put into AFT INITIATE until the before takeoff checklist anyway.

During a fam ride in the C model it's set to NORM the entire time.

Edited 2 hours ago by Boomer6

[JeremiahWeed]

10 hours ago, Pooter said:

I know incentive riders can do wacky things and I have no idea what happened in this case... but you're fucking up if you don't put the fear of god in them regarding the ejection handles and the seat in general. I don't care how much egress training they got, every incentive rider I ever flew with got another cockpit fam brief from me and I personally helped them strap in.

Truth.  I gave an I-ride to a crew chief, briefed him exactly what we were going to do and he was gung ho and normal as shit for the whole experience........

Riiiiiiiiiight up to about 5 seconds after brake release.  Full AB and off the ground shortly after that, 5-bills at the end of the runway and into the vertical.  He's hyperventilating for the acceleration which didn't seem that abnormal.  At the start of the pull up he starts "ohhhhhhhhh" and then as we're vertical he says, "Sir, I want to go back."  I level off at 10K and offered to just be an airliner and we could do some sight seeing and take it easy.  He just kept repeating that he wanted to go back in a scary, panicked way.  I started to get pretty concerned he was going to do something crazy, so I told him to put his hands under his thighs, don't touch anything and I'll have us back on the ground in 5 minutes.  Should have done a straight-in but I wanted to get down fast.  He almost lost it when it put some G on the aircraft in the pitch out.  I figured out he no likey the Gs.  Not an experience I'd care to repeat.  Absolutely no fun having a panicked human trapped in your back seat with access to some fairly "reactive" handles and actuators.  0.1 KPAM-KPAM 🙃

Edited 2 hours ago by JeremiahWeed

[DirkDiggler]

10 hours ago, Pooter said:

I know incentive riders can do wacky things and I have no idea what happened in this case... but you're fucking up if you don't put the fear of god in them regarding the ejection handles and the seat in general. I don't care how much egress training they got, every incentive rider I ever flew with got another cockpit fam brief from me and I personally helped them strap in.

Good buddy of mine was a T-6 FAIP at Laughlin; he got tagged to do incentive flights for some ROTC cadets going through Field Training.  A friend of his was doing the some thing during the same Vul and taxis out first.  As my buddy taxis into the hammerhead and catches up to the other airplane, he realizes something doesn't look right; low and behold the other airplane is now a convertible.  The IP in question told the cadet in the backseat to put the ejection selector in command forward; cadet pulls the wrong handle and blows the canopy instead.  Needless to say incentive flights were put on ice for a while after that.

Edited 2 hours ago by DirkDiggler
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