Israel strikes Tehran

[dream big]

9 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

100% agree and that fact should shame our GOs; their success compared to our prevaricating came from willpower not technical inadequacies on our part.

Just reminding everyone we've been tricked before WRT WMD.

Not saying our GOs weren’t a contributing factor in the mess that was GWOT (Afghanistan and Levant) but I would say most of the failures belong at the political level. 

[Clark Griswold]

I think the most impressive item in this entire conflict is how the 4th strongest IADS in the world completely folded.  Today IAF tankers are orbiting over Iran...maybe Fat Amy isn't worthless.

Was thinking the same thing, I’m wondering if another system could be used clandestinely but conveyed to the PRC to dissuade cross strait adventurism


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[ecugringo]

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I think the most impressive item in this entire conflict is how the 4th strongest IADS in the world completely folded.  Today IAF tankers are orbiting over Iran...maybe Fat Amy isn't worthless.

USN needs to control the straight ASAP if they haven’t already.

if the IAF is unopposed this early I see a scorched earth policy unfolding

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, dream big said:

Not saying our GOs weren’t a contributing factor in the mess that was GWOT (Afghanistan and Levant) but I would say most of the failures belong at the political level. 

 I agree with you, but focus on our military failures because I have informed ideas about causes & solutions.  Don't have the same background knowledge to speak confidently regarding political level. 

24 minutes ago, ecugringo said:

if the IAF is unopposed this early I see a scorched earth policy unfolding

Agree 100%.  If I were Iran, this is obviously the time to play every card.  Not sure if they have a nuke, but the claim about enriched uranium means dirty bomb is on the table. If they don't use it, they never had it.

my final thought seeing Iran fold so quickly is that I am angry we didn't do it ourselves & sooner. They were murdering US soldiers with EFP's in 2007 and we were too afraid of expanding the war to give them what they deserved.  Fuck Iran I hope their mullahs are dragged through the streets whether they have WMD or not.  But we must not nation build in the aftermath.

[ecugringo]

42 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

 I agree with you, but focus on our military failures because I have informed ideas about causes & solutions.  Don't have the same background knowledge to speak confidently regarding political level. 

Agree 100%.  If I were Iran, this is obviously the time to play every card.  Not sure if they have a nuke, but the claim about enriched uranium means dirty bomb is on the table. If they don't use it, they never had it.

my final thought seeing Iran fold so quickly is that I am angry we didn't do it ourselves & sooner. They were murdering US soldiers with EFP's in 2007 and we were too afraid of expanding the war to give them what they deserved.   Iran I hope their mullahs are dragged through the streets whether they have WMD or not.  But we must not nation build in the aftermath.

They could sink some tankers and do quite a bit of damage.  25% of global crude passes through.

[Lawman]

Agree 100%.  If I were Iran, this is obviously the time to play every card.  Not sure if they have a nuke, but the claim about enriched uranium means dirty bomb is on the table. If they don't use it, they never had it.
my final thought seeing Iran fold so quickly is that I am angry we didn't do it ourselves & sooner. They were murdering US soldiers with EFP's in 2007 and we were too afraid of expanding the war to give them what they deserved.   Iran I hope their mullahs are dragged through the streets whether they have WMD or not.  But we must not nation build in the aftermath.

Until the Hezbollah missile threat was gone this was never on the table.

Lebanon being destroyed and Syria falling was a shaping operation to allow for this, otherwise things in Israel would be far uglier than right now.


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[Day Man]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

my final thought seeing Iran fold so quickly is that I am angry we didn't do it ourselves & sooner. They were murdering US soldiers...

just curious...do you feel the same about Pakistan?

[disgruntledemployee]

21 hours ago, ecugringo said:

So I read Gabbard testified that Iran was not starting their Nuke program.

Trump is telling Iran to surrender unconditionally.  
 

wild times

Gabbard is off message, probably because of Middle East sympathies (imo).  No idea why, just like no real idea why she visited Syria back then.  She either has to shut up or resign or she'll get mean tweeted and fired.

[Lawman]

I think the most impressive item in this entire conflict is how the 4th strongest IADS in the world completely folded.  Today IAF tankers are orbiting over Iran...maybe Fat Amy isn't worthless.

Is anybody else secretly hoping the Iranians manage to get just 1x jet in the Air and have it square off with a 35.

And then the 35 gets 1x more Air to Air kill than the Raptor….


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1 hour ago, Lawman said:

And then the 35 gets 1x more Air to Air kill than the Raptor….
 

Oh, I'm sorry.  So this never happened?

[brabus]

5 hours ago, Day Man said:

just curious...do you feel the same about Pakistan?

I do. Fuck Pakistan; they’re right up there with Iran on the list of POS countries that deserve far worse than what they’ve actually received. 

[Lawman]

Oh, I'm sorry.  So this never happened?

I think the day the F-35 has an actual airplane to its credit, they’ll wish more than anything that it hadn’t.


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[Clark Griswold]

Didn’t the Iranians get Flanker 35s in exchange for drones with Russians?
Ran away or still being hidden?


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[uhhello]

1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said:

Didn’t the Iranians get Flanker 35s in exchange for drones with Russians?
Ran away or still being hidden?


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Russia got their drones, Iran never got their ghost airframes they were promised.  There were MIG-29's scrambling the first night but they all flew south from what i've seen. 

[Clark Griswold]

Russia got their drones, Iran never got their ghost airframes they were promised.  There were MIG-29's scrambling the first night but they all flew south from what i've seen. 

Gotcha, tactical retreat vs turned into twisted parts.
I was surprised the Russians didn’t push them or kinda make it a deal or no deal offer for their MiG-35.
They need / want to keep MiG in business and as they only operate them for one of their aero teams, I figured they would tell them after X number of drones delivered it’s this or nothing.
As they already have 29s, seems like a way of telling them these are the planes you really want.


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[BigE]

Concur. But don’t think D-SEAD (didn’t we use to just call that DEAD) nor EA has been the game changer. If I had to guess, there is some serious non-kinetics/cyber employed that have allowed Israel to so quickly degrade Iranian IADS. Whatever it is - good on em’!

[Lawman]

Concur. But don’t think D-SEAD (didn’t we use to just call that DEAD) nor EA has been the game changer. If I had to guess, there is some serious non-kinetics/cyber employed that have allowed Israel to so quickly degrade Iranian IADS. Whatever it is - good on em’!

What it should do it remind a lot of our Intel people, and more importantly “Theirs” that Air Supremacy is still achievable and our quiver of options may be just as brutally effective.

96 hours to full and total disintegration… if I’m a Red commander I’m not thinking how quickly and how much can you do across a body of water under that kind of a time table.


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[Lawman]

Jesus…

This is like a Master level course on how to conduct multi domain warfare

https://x.com/i/web/status/1935406006344822975


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[arg]

45 minutes ago, Lawman said:

Jesus…

This is like a Master level course on how to conduct multi domain warfare

https://x.com/i/web/status/1935406006344822975


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We just drop leaflets

[tac airlifter]

11 hours ago, Day Man said:

just curious...do you feel the same about Pakistan?

I don't.  The Paks were terrible "allies" and the ISI did play both sides (US & AQ & even Taliban).  I'd label Pakistan a passive adversary.  But what Iran did was use state funded university engineers to design weapons specifically to increase IED lethality, then send IRGC commandos into Iraq to train/advise/assist Shia militia employing those weapons against us.  They killed hundreds of our guys, we knew it & could prove it, and on a tactical level guys made valiant efforts to fight it.  But at a senior level, we let it happen because decisive reprisal was a bridge to far for the feckless Bush administration.

Lawman is right about events since then shaping the present battle space advantageously.  But those things left an impression on me and it stuck.

What do you think? Do you think Pakistan was a more disruptive influence than Iran?  I didn't play in OEF till 09, it was all OIF 04-08 so there's a lot I don't know about Pak influence.

[uhhello]

47 minutes ago, arg said:

We just drop leaflets

Pretty sure we did the same thing in the gulf wars with EC-130's 

[Lawman]

We just drop leaflets

That’s because we mistakenly thought the Afghans could read…


I mean TV signal is just TV signal.

And it’s really easy to out broadcast your opponents propaganda source when your opponent signal tower is a bent pile of burnt metal and you are orbiting above their capital with impunity.

It’s funny that people on the other side keep posting videos of Tehran like “the lights are still on!” Yeah… we wouldn’t want you to miss anything.


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[uhhello]

Space Invaders
Skip to 1:40 and go full screen
 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by uhhello

[ClearedHot]

Hearkens back to the Blitz in WW2. 

Interestingly Hezbollah has not fired a single shot at Israel!

The attack on the hospital may be a tipping point, pictures now show the Iranians used cluster munitions on the hospital.

 

[BFM this]

8 hours ago, uhhello said:

Space Invaders

Yes, but I think you're thinking of the other classic: Missile Command